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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Macro combination question, P+F, P+C

    Hey, im currently bulking at 3500 cals a day, can anyone recomend a macro meal schdele. Like when i wake up should i have P+C or P+F. Currently i have

    P+F
    P+F
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    P+C (Preworkout)
    P+C (Post Workout)
    P+C
    P+F

    Im, 5'10, probally 11-13% BF, and 128 lbs., any help would be great

    Should i even bother about P+F, and P+C or just eat within macros, ?

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    Berardi says usually its better to have P+C in the morning. but, its more imp. to have them after you train
    your scheduale there looks fine
    where did you get the 3500cals from? massive eating?
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    hrmmm

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    Nice sig you have there ryuage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiro
    Hey, im currently bulking at 3500 cals a day, can anyone recomend a macro meal schdele. Like when i wake up should i have P+C or P+F. Currently i have

    P+F
    P+F
    P+F
    P+C (Preworkout)
    P+C (Post Workout)
    P+C
    P+F

    Im, 5'10, probally 11-13% BF, and 128 lbs., any help would be great

    Should i even bother about P+F, and P+C or just eat within macros, ?
    that sounds just like a TKD
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    For god's sake boy, you're 5'10 and 128 and youre worried about whether to have fats for lunch or breakfast and carbs at 2:00 or 7:00? Just eat everything you see for crying out loud. You have a long way to go before you start worrying about macro meal schedules. Go to McD's and order a Big Mac meal, and make sure you supersize it.
    yea that's right, be jealous

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    ^Some people would rather gain 10lbs LBM & 2lbs fat as opposed to 2lbs LBM & 10lbs fat.
    "I added some db curls with the pink weights for a bit of a burn." - Rookiebldr

    "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas

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    "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Crippler
    ^Some people would rather gain 10lbs LBM & 2lbs fat as opposed to 2lbs LBM & 10lbs fat.
    who? I want 10 lbs of fat dammit!

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    How can you be alive and weigh 128lbs at 5'10"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Crippler
    ^Some people would rather gain 10lbs LBM & 2lbs fat as opposed to 2lbs LBM & 10lbs fat.
    And if you think obsessing about P+F or P+C will make the difference between the two, then you're welcome to it.

    Some of us will enjoy our McD's and still be pretty happy where we're at.
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    I like that thread in your sig, ryuage. very much.
    "Except Belial. He knows everything. This isn't a sarcastic attack, either. He really knows everything." -----Organichu
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElPietro
    How can you be alive and weigh 128lbs at 5'10"?
    I have a friend who is 6'2 and 130 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belial
    I like that thread in your sig, ryuage. very much.
    why thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryuage
    I have a friend who is 6'2 and 130 lbs
    Then as a friend you should probably tell him to go to a doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belial
    And if you think obsessing about P+F or P+C will make the difference between the two, then you're welcome to it.

    Some of us will enjoy our McD's and still be pretty happy where we're at.
    Hey, I like 2 cheeseburgers with fries and a coke just as much as any other guy, just saying maybe he doesn't .
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    "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas

    "had a huge ass burn on my triceps while I was doing those kickbacks, so they'll likely be staying with my exercise program." - Zearoth

    "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx

    "We have a lot of people like that on our campus, all hippies and things, that go around preaching against corporations, jocks, preps, accountants, and anyone else that feels the need to shower more than occasionally." - Shankerr

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    i recently came from my home country, guyana, were (males) are all thin. Im actuallt considered chubby. Thanks for the info, ill just eat clean and liftt . . .hey ryuage, whats your stats> age/height/weight/cut or bulk?

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    you mean there's a whole country out there full of people skinny as you? And your considered chubby there? Wow, thats like some kinda bizarro world. Btw, don't try to eat clean. If you wanna put on some mass it's gonna be hard takin in the amount of calories you'll need to gain by eating clean. Eat a couple of big macs a day, I'm being serious.
    yea that's right, be jealous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Crippler
    ^Some people would rather gain 10lbs LBM & 2lbs fat as opposed to 2lbs LBM & 10lbs fat.
    the dude is obviously an ectomorph, the last thing he needs to be worrying about is gaining fat.
    yea that's right, be jealous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiro
    i recently came from my home country, guyana, were (males) are all thin. Im actuallt considered chubby. Thanks for the info, ill just eat clean and liftt . . .hey ryuage, whats your stats> age/height/weight/cut or bulk?
    Don't even worry about eating clean, at 5'10", 128, you just need to worry about getting enough protein, and after that, just stuff your face

    I started at 5'10", ~155 and I thought I was really skinny. Now I'm 5'10", 200 at about 12-14% and I am far from having a 'clean' diet. Worrying about eating clean is going to do more harm than good at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiro
    i recently came from my home country, guyana, were (males) are all thin. Im actuallt considered chubby. Thanks for the info, ill just eat clean and liftt . . .hey ryuage, whats your stats> age/height/weight/cut or bulk?
    21/5'10 oh and a half!/I dunno probably sitting around 180-190/bulking away like a mad man

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    I would try to get p+f+c with every meal, especially if you are trying to gain muscle.

    worry more about your total intake as opposed to timing

    the only exception would be pre and post workout where you want to have more carbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by agentplaya1
    the dude is obviously an ectomorph, the last thing he needs to be worrying about is gaining fat.
    Oh true, I must have missed that part, sorry.
    "I added some db curls with the pink weights for a bit of a burn." - Rookiebldr

    "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas

    "had a huge ass burn on my triceps while I was doing those kickbacks, so they'll likely be staying with my exercise program." - Zearoth

    "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx

    "We have a lot of people like that on our campus, all hippies and things, that go around preaching against corporations, jocks, preps, accountants, and anyone else that feels the need to shower more than occasionally." - Shankerr

    "Damn man why are some women just so demonic and evil.. its like you wanna get a stake and mallet and an erection at the same time." - WBBIRL

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    OKay, thanks alot, no i dont live in bizarro world, just an underfed country. So far, im getting about 195grams of protein a day 340grams of carbs and 151 grams of EFA's. Are these number okay, or is something wrong? As far as eating everything, today i proudly finsihed a canister of oatmeal and a couple of eggs and whites for breakfest.

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