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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Does it really work for you?

    If you're seeing excellent progress with your lifts does that still mean you should stick to your workout when other people criticize it for being too much or too little? Are you just being ignorant if you ignore them, or are you being smart if you stick to what feels right? It is your body after all, you should know what you can handle, right? I know there's only one way to find out, which is experiment with it a bit, but I'd like to see some opinions.

    Also, I'm interested in seeing what type of workout works for everyone here. Full body, split routines, 2x a week or 6x a week, all that stuff. Maybe what didn't work as well.

    I guess I could start. I do a full body workout 4x a week. Just 2 sets for each exercise at 12 reps, then drop down to 10 reps with the same weight. I put the weight as high as I can handle for that type of rep scheme so I definitely get a good workout, but something I've noticed is that I never get sore from my workouts. Luckily I still increase the weight in most exercises by 1 and a half weeks, 2 weeks at the most recently. People usually tell me this is pretty stupid but I've been seeing progress for over a year now (I switch the exercises up a little bit every now and then) and I'm actually increasing at even faster rate now. I think it just works for me. 2 weeks ago I decided to heed some warnings and I dropped down to 3x a week, same workouts. Unfortunately I lost strength so I went back to my normal routine sometime last week and now I'm back to my normal strength and, as expected, I've increased my weight in a few exercises after a week and a half of returning to it. I plan to keep this routine up until I hit a plateau. This is what works for me, what about you guys?

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    Progress is what its all about!!
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    Ya, if you continue making progress, why change? As you get stronger, that frequency may not work as well. When progress stops, try something different.
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    Ignore everything whilst you're progressing.

    Be single minded and remember that most people (aside from close family, maybe some friends and even that's no guarantee) don't have your best interests as first priority, there's always an agenda.

    So pick and choose wisely to whom you listen and more often than not be very dubious of people who offer advice without you having first asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickAus View Post
    Progress is what its all about!!
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    Ya, if you continue making progress, why change? As you get stronger, that frequency may not work as well. When progress stops, try something different.
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    Ignore everything whilst you're progressing.

    Be single minded and remember that most people (aside from close family, maybe some friends and even that's no guarantee) don't have your best interests as first priority, there's always an agenda.

    So pick and choose wisely to whom you listen and more often than not be very dubious of people who offer advice without you having first asked.
    However, what if he could make better/faster progress with a different routine. Adding weight on a weekly basis as opposed to adding weight every session for example.

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    You will know what is good progress and what is slow..............and when your not progressing at all.

    If you hit PRs often don't change what your doing.
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    @Cman; Soreness is a weak indicator for a good workout since it isnt a directly corrolated with hypertrophy. Its the progressive tension overload you should aim for. As long as you make progress weight wise your good and dont have to change anything imo.

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    It wouldn't be you that is naieve or stupid for not listening to someone telling you to change what works it would be ignorance in the part of the person telling you mate.

    The only reason in could see to change something that was working would be health or injury related, or if you just really hated your sessions :-) or if you wanted a change of focus ofc
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    However, what if he could make better/faster progress with a different routine. Adding weight on a weekly basis as opposed to adding weight every session for example.
    Fair point but it assumes that progress is easy to come by - check out many commercial gyms or non-powerlifting/specialist gyms i.e. most gyms and the majority of trainees aren't progressing from one year to the next, let alone every week or so. Progressing is not a common state for most.

    If you find a way of progressing then put your head down and keep at it and whilst I'm not saying be close-minded, by all means educate yourself, remember that there is no perfect program and that the body responds to a fairly narrow set of stimuli (sets/reps/intensity/frequency), so if you're operating within those parameters, (which if you're progressing, you are), then expecting a quantum leap in performance is naive.

    Avoid the grass is always greener mentality that sees many swapping from one 'perfect program to the next without a hell of a lot to show for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RvNijnatten View Post
    However, what if he could make better/faster progress with a different routine. Adding weight on a weekly basis as opposed to adding weight every session for example.
    I was thinking the same thing, but changed my mind. The most important thing is to see progress and stay motivated. If he's like the majority of us, the progress will slow and eventually stop. That is when he'll have to put his head down and really discover what works best for him, or come on here and ask for help. Maybe it's not what we consider the "best" way or the "fastest" way, but they need to be happy in order to get hooked on the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Roberts View Post
    Fair point but it assumes that progress is easy to come by - check out many commercial gyms or non-powerlifting/specialist gyms i.e. most gyms and the majority of trainees aren't progressing from one year to the next, let alone every week or so. Progressing is not a common state for most.

    If you find a way of progressing then put your head down and keep at it and whilst I'm not saying be close-minded, by all means educate yourself, remember that there is no perfect program and that the body responds to a fairly narrow set of stimuli (sets/reps/intensity/frequency), so if you're operating within those parameters, (which if you're progressing, you are), then expecting a quantum leap in performance is naive.

    Avoid the grass is always greener mentality that sees many swapping from one 'perfect program to the next without a hell of a lot to show for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Off Road View Post
    I was thinking the same thing, but changed my mind. The most important thing is to see progress and stay motivated. If he's like the majority of us, the progress will slow and eventually stop. That is when he'll have to put his head down and really discover what works best for him, or come on here and ask for help. Maybe it's not what we consider the "best" way or the "fastest" way, but they need to be happy in order to get hooked on the process.
    Both very good points.

    I guess that also answers the question of what if he is on a suboptimal program not doing compound movements.

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    Thanks for all the responses guys, but I was also curious to see what worked for all of you guys as well! I just like to see the differences that range from person to person, that's all.

    I've been thinking the same thing that everyone is saying in the posts though. Until a couple weeks ago I had never changed my workout. Now that I have and I was getting weaker just from a week and a half of my altered one I definitely know my body isn't getting overworked from going 4x a week with my exercises/sets/reps/etc... I usually add on weight after a week and a half and I do squats, deadlifts, and bench, so I've got the main compound movements down. I also do plenty of other smaller ones and isolated movements as well. Like I said earlier I think I'm just going to stick with it until I hit a plateau.

    What works for you guys?

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    In the beginning I had the best progress with basic and abreviated routines that focussed on 20 rep squats.
    Lately I've had good luck with Wendler's 5/3/1 and still focussing on basic and abreviated accessory work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cman View Post
    If you're seeing excellent progress with your lifts does that still mean you should stick to your workout when other people criticize it for being too much or too little? Are you just being ignorant if you ignore them, or are you being smart if you stick to what feels right?
    i see two sides to this. one, there will always be someone who will criticize what you do because they think that their method is so much better (especially when it comes to working out). if you feel like what you are doing is working, and you know how to judge whether or not its working, i say f'em. the other side is, given that the one(s) criticizing have experience and are wise in what they are preaching, their advice may be saving you a lot of wasted time, even if means stepping outside of your comfort zone.

    i never used to be a 6-rep guy, always 8 at the absolute minimum (back when i used to judge a workout on the "pump" i felt afterward, not the progress over time). after a year of seeing no results, i took up some of the routines on this site that employ that lower rep schemes and followed the advice of others and i've been building up ever since. if i had stayed in my comfort zone and hadn't taken advice, id still be "feeling right" for a few hours after the workout with nothing to show for in the long term.

    i guess the point is, don't shelter yourself from what other ppl say but at the same time take advice with a grain of salt. pick and choose what works for you. sure, its fun to keep making new PRs and increasing muscle mass and whatnot, but i think one of the most interesting (and challenging) aspects of working out is that we're constantly trying to figure out what "works best for us personally", and that is something that NO ONE can figure out but yourself.
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    Well said soclydeza, very well said.

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