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    CNS lowdown

    I was wondering if I can get the skinny on the CNS as it pertains to exercise. I know some basic stuff. But I want something really in-depth. If someone has a link to any good articles, that would really help. Also, when I get done with a really tough workout, my body parts twitch and shake uncontrollably. Does this happen to anyone else? And is it a good thing? Thanks!

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    Anyone?

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    I can e-mail you some stuff, that is a pretty loaded question as the CNS is a very extensive topic-are you mostly asking about why you shake and twitch?

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    You need to ask a more targetted question. Otherwise, you need to be reading physiology books, and books like Supertraining.
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    OK, I'll narrow it down. I basically just wanted to know about the CNS and how it applies to weight-training/fatigue/strenght increases. And I'm assuming that the twitching is due to overloading. Is it a good sign though? Or does it mean I need to improve?

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    Ok, I will try to give you a brief answer. All activitity in the body ( including muscular contraction) is controlled and coordinated by the nervous system. When you apply a load onto your muscle (one that is has not previously experienced) your body "responds" by re-organizing its neural structure and pattern. It does this because its much easier to do and less costly (from a metabolic standpoint) than to build new muscle. This is why you normaly get stronger before you get bigger, in terms of muscle growth. its just more efficient for the body to respond that way. This patterning is called "neurological efficiency". Guys who develop a lot of muscle without a lot of increase in strength tend to have poor neurological efficiency-so the only thing their body can do is to grow-the guys who can get real strong tend to have fantastic neurological efficiency ( and strong tendons and ligaments as well)


    Muscle twitching is the result of minor local muscle contractions or the uncontrollable twitching of a single muscle group served by a single motor nerve fiber or filament. It is somewhat normal and may be caused by a number of things-low blood sugar, deyhydration, magnesium defiency, fatigue, etc. Sometimes its the result of normal pattern resetting and growth. It is really not a problem unless it becomes a chronic condition, in which case you need to get checked by a doctor. I think you need to take a closer look and your pre and post workout nutrition. The mods can probably help you with that.

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    Thank's for the post Keith.
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    Hmm. I think my nutrition is up to par. I weigh about 150lbs and I drink about 60oz of water daily. I take multi-vitamins. My diet consists of lots of eggs, whole wheat bread, milk, oats, rice, and beans, as well as assorted juices. I think it has more to do with fatigue. Like I said, it only happens every so often after I get a REALLY intense workout. And I'm one of those little guys with lots of strength. I'm thinking it's probably the neuro-pathways reconfiguring. But Keith, thank you! You're a wealth of knowledge as usual. Do you have a link to a collection of your articles? If not that, then just direct me to anything that has to do with the nervous system. My email is thalakos84@hotmail.com or thalakos84@gmail.com
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    By the way, last time it happened, my pre-workout meal was an egg sandwich with two eggs, two pieces of whole grain bread, cheddar, and a bottle of water. Post was a 600 cal mass drink, two burgers, baked potato, and a soda. I'm on permanent bulk. Oh, and the twitching isn't so much twitching. It's just a constant shake. Not like spasms or anything.

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    thalakos,

    I dont know much about nutrition, but I do know a bit about eating-I would suggest that you contact the guys at at large nutrition and tell them your goals and also provide them with a copy of your food journal ( you are keeping one are'nt you-hint, hint) and hopefully they can give you some guidance on do's and dont's and also some guidance on supplementation. I am not thrilled with burgers and sodas for post work-out meals ( I do love cheeseburgers though) I am willing to bet they can hook you up with a great pre and post workout shake type thingy. ( I hope I am not out of line in offering to have them help you, if so I apologize) I am also a HUGE fan of magnesium as a mineral supplement.

    I will send you some things I have written, though most of my published work is neuro-immunology, and pediatric neurology.

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    No. I don't keep a food journal. I don't even keep a lifting journal (hangs head in shame). I'm too poor to really change my diet. I have to get the most for my money. I suppose that's no excuse for not documenting cals/carbs/protein in though. And as for suggesting AtLarge, you're not out of line at all. Thanks for the suggestion. I just don't know if I can afford it, so I never bothered to check it out. And as far as magnesium goes, what's the purpose? I realize it's important, but what specific processes is it involved in?
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    Let me tell you this. On a budget you can still have a really good diet.
    Last year I was working a different job(paid more) and had no bills, so i had $10/day in food. Now my diet is almost as good but only cost ~5-6$/day.
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    Minus the protein shakes, you just described my diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wassung
    Ok, I will try to give you a brief answer. All activitity in the body ( including muscular contraction) is controlled and coordinated by the nervous system. When you apply a load onto your muscle (one that is has not previously experienced) your body "responds" by re-organizing its neural structure and pattern. It does this because its much easier to do and less costly (from a metabolic standpoint) than to build new muscle. This is why you normaly get stronger before you get bigger, in terms of muscle growth. its just more efficient for the body to respond that way. This patterning is called "neurological efficiency". Guys who develop a lot of muscle without a lot of increase in strength tend to have poor neurological efficiency-so the only thing their body can do is to grow-the guys who can get real strong tend to have fantastic neurological efficiency ( and strong tendons and ligaments as well)


    Muscle twitching is the result of minor local muscle contractions or the uncontrollable twitching of a single muscle group served by a single motor nerve fiber or filament. It is somewhat normal and may be caused by a number of things-low blood sugar, deyhydration, magnesium defiency, fatigue, etc. Sometimes its the result of normal pattern resetting and growth. It is really not a problem unless it becomes a chronic condition, in which case you need to get checked by a doctor. I think you need to take a closer look and your pre and post workout nutrition. The mods can probably help you with that.

    Hope that helps

    Keith

    Good post Keith. I know absolutly nothing about the CNS, but your post explained thing's nicely. Very interesting, I might have to read up on it more now.
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    that was a great post keith, I have tried to find more info about how the cns affects weight training and I can not find anything. Where do you think I should look to read more about this? Thanks again for the info.

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    I would start with a basic text like Guyton's Physiology-get your basics covered and then you can narrow your target reading a bit more. There are tons of peer review journals available on the topic. Most of these are available on-line although you often need to have an account with them ( I have account's with most of them so if you need something,let me know) Many of the journal articles are written with a very high degree of "Phd-ese" meaning they use a twenty dollar word to describe a nickel term. But that is the reality of research and publishing.

    Do you realize there are more possible connections in the human central nervous system ( just one person) then there are electrons in the known universe?

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    i cant find the site right now...
    but google "weightrainer"
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    Keith,
    Thanks for the short explanation on the CNS. I've been reading WBB forums for a while now and have learned alot. I usually don't post, because I don't have much useful to say. I did want to say thank you, and for all the other veterans and moderators - This is a GREAT forum!

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    nice points keith

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