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    Giving blood

    Im kinda under the weather right now....not really sick, but not 100%

    I want to give blood this friday, but not sure if i should. Like i said, im not really sick.....

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    what are the symptoms you're feeling?
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    they won't take you if you are sick at all. not a safe thing to give potentially contaminated blood to an ill person. if you are under the weather, there is a reason (either a virus or bacteria). you should be 100%, both for your sake and the future user of your blood.
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    at least you can give blood, I still cant. took too many pills to stay healthy when I lived in africa, cant give blood for 12-15 years after I get back. goooo malaria pills...
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    omg.... giving blood sucks..

    it makes me soooooooooo sick, I can't do it anymore.

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    At least i dont think they will if youre sick
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    Do it, it's a multi-million dollar business where those at the top live extravagant lifestyles instead of checking all blood supplies for contagious pathogens (AIDS lies dormant for years) and some unsuspecting fool ends up getting a blood transfusion he would not have needed if the dr would have taken his time and not did sloppy work!!!

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    haha^

    I would sure hope they would examine you before they take blood from you. but many people give blood. Even the ones infected with aids.
    Last edited by waynis; 02-17-2005 at 07:52 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suprarob
    Do it, it's a multi-million dollar business where those at the top live extravagant lifestyles instead of checking all blood supplies for contagious pathogens (AIDS lies dormant for years) and some unsuspecting fool ends up getting a blood transfusion he would not have needed if the dr would have taken his time and not did sloppy work!!!
    ^^^^^^
    May well be the longest sentence ever composed. Try to read that aloud in one breath.


    To the original poster: Don't give blood if you're ill at the time.
    Last edited by razorbrain; 02-18-2005 at 12:24 PM.
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    Ask any dr...there is no 100% test for AIDS, tho the blood people would lead you to believe...that's why it is written that they are NOT responsible for disease transmission. Or else they would be shut down by now because of all the diseases people have caught from contaminated blood.

    PS:Where is your blood bank ? Ours is in the hood and the people that usually donate are druggies and prostitutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suprarob
    ...there is no 100% test for AIDS....
    Nor is there a test that is 100% sensitive for any disease.

    The ELISA test for HIV antibodies is about 99.5% sensitive.
    Last edited by razorbrain; 02-18-2005 at 03:20 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by razorbrain
    Nor is there a test that is 100% sensitive for any disease.

    The ELISA test for HIV antibodies is about 99.5% sensitive.
    Very true but it can be DORMANT when tested...that's why some people still get infected EVERY year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by suprarob
    Very true but it can be DORMANT when tested....
    Sorry, just not true. See link for more detail.

    "HIV is not like other kinds of viruses (herpes for instance) which can have a latent or dormant state." Mark Holodniy, MD, FACP, CIC
    Stanford University School of Medicine.

    http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/L...ory/Q5883.html
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    If you're sick, don't give blood. You'll risk getting sicker. Last time I donated I was feeling like something was coming on, but I went anyway. The prelim physical checked out fine, so I had no problem. Then I was sick as hell for 2 weeks.

    Just wait until you feel better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew
    Last time I donated I was feeling like something was coming on, but I went anyway.
    What a comforting thought.
    Last edited by waynis; 02-19-2005 at 09:36 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by razorbrain
    Sorry, just not true. See link for more detail.

    "HIV is not like other kinds of viruses (herpes for instance) which can have a latent or dormant state." Mark Holodniy, MD, FACP, CIC
    Stanford University School of Medicine.

    http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/L...ory/Q5883.html

    Whatever, read this from the CDC, not some PAID Dr., yes they have reduced it but NOT eliminated it. Not to mention new tests are needed for new and emerging diseases. So even with only ONE bullet in the chamber I'm not pulling the trigger!!!!!!

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    How safe is the blood supply in the United States?

    The U.S. blood supply is among the safest in the world. Nearly all people infected with HIV through blood transfusions received those transfusions before 1985, the year HIV testing began for all donated blood.

    The Public Health Service has recommended an approach to blood safety in the United States that includes stringent donor selection practices and the use of screening tests. U.S. blood donations have been screened for antibodies to HIV-1 since March 1985 and HIV-2 since June 1992. The p24 Antigen test was added in 1996. Blood and blood products that test positive for HIV are safely discarded and are not used for transfusions.

    Tests Performed on Each Unit of Donated Blood* (Source: American Red Cross)

    Disease


    Test


    Year Implemented

    HIV/ AIDS


    HIV/AIDS HIV- I Antibody test


    1985

    HIV-1/2 Antibody test


    1992

    HIV-I p24 Antigen test


    1996

    HIV/AIDS and Hepatitis C


    Nucleic Acid Test (NAT)


    1999

    Hepatitis C


    Hepatitis C Anti-HCV


    1990

    Hepatitis B


    Hepatitis B Surface Antigen test


    1971

    Hepatitis B Core Antibody


    1987

    Hepatitis


    Hepatitis ALT


    1986

    Syphilis


    Syphilis Serologic test


    1948

    Human T-cell Lymphotropic Virus (HTLV)


    HTLV-I Antibody


    1989

    HTLV -I/II Antibody


    1998

    The improvement of processing methods for blood products also has "REDUCED" (capitals by Rob) the number of infections resulting from the use of these products.

    Currently, the risk of infection with HIV in the United States through receiving a blood transfusion or blood products is extremely low and has become progressively lower, even in geographic areas with high HIV prevalence rates.

    * This list is subject to change as new blood safety opportunities and requirements emerge. Additional tests may be performed to meet special patient needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suprarob

    PS:Where is your blood bank ? Ours is in the hood and the people that usually donate are druggies and prostitutes.
    That's not a blood bank homie, that's for plasma which is then used in the production of many different producst, not in humans.

    People are no longer paid to donate blood, just plasma. Do you even understand the subject you are debating.

    So what's your point supraboy? That we shouldnt give or recieve blood from these organizations? If my life was on the line, Id risk it.
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    Smallboy don't take things out of context. I said that the BLOOD business is BIG business. Or PLASMA business if you prefer. If you want someone elses blood then knock yourself out. However if you interview most doctors they will say that they do NOT want someone elses blood. This is there reply, at least the the drs I know...

    !)They want a quality doc who does not do sloppy cutting and then giving blood.
    2) They want to store there OWN blood for emergencies.
    3) They prefer blood expanders and saline solution first to make up the volume.

    We live in an educated consumer world now. It's ******ed how most bodybuilders eat "clean" and yet they will injest blood at the drop of a hat. Go figure. If you want to be ignorant of the facts then do so. By all means, drink it till you get sick, pun intended. It's your right,lol.
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    Quote from the Public Health Orginization...

    "An estimated 1 in 450,000 donations per year are infectious for HIV but are not detected by current antibody screening tests."

    That's just one disease. There are many more and many more will arise in the future.
    Last edited by suprarob; 02-19-2005 at 08:31 PM.

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    Are blood banks faced with more long searches for tests to make blood safe? Citing the problem of cost, a director of the American Red Cross made this disturbing comment: "We can't just keep adding test after test for each infectious agent that might be spread."—Medical World News, May 8, 1989.

    Even the test for hepatitis B is fallible; many still contract it from blood. Moreover, will people be satisfied with the announced test for hepatitis C? The Journal of the American Medical Association (January 5, 1990) showed that a year can pass before antibodies of the disease are detectable by the test. Meanwhile, people transfused with the blood may face ruined livers—and death.

    BLOOD, RUINED LIVERS, AND . . .

    "Ironically, blood-borne AIDS . . . has never been as great a threat as other diseases—hepatitis, for instance," explained the Washington Post.

    Yes, vast numbers have got very sick and have died from such hepatitis, which has no specific treatment. According to U.S.News & World Report, about 5 percent of those given blood in the United States get hepatitis—175,000 people a year. About half become chronic carriers, and at least 1 in 5 develop cirrhosis or cancer of the liver. It is estimated that 4,000 die. Imagine the headlines you would read if a jumbo jet crashed, killing all aboard. But 4,000 deaths amount to a full jumbo jet crashing every month!

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    If those are facts you're typing, that's pretty scary. I'd never really thought about it before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTT
    If those are facts you're typing, that's pretty scary. I'd never really thought about it before.
    We have ALL been conditioned to believe what "they" want us to believe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by suprarob

    According to U.S.News & World Report, about 5 percent of those given blood in the United States get hepatitis—175,000 people a year. About half become chronic carriers, and at least 1 in 5 develop cirrhosis or cancer of the liver. It is estimated that 4,000 die.
    Give me a reputable source for these numbers, so far most of the actuall numbers you have posted come from newspapers, lol.

    Also please explain where I took something out of context, you confused a blood bank with a plasma bank. And insinuated that this country gives prostitutes and drug addicts money for their blood, which shows your lack of knowledge on this subject.

    Germany is one of the few countries that pays for whole blood donations, and even they have a lower risk factor than the numbers your claiming.

    Obviously giving your own blood prior to a procedure and using it if necassary would be the best option but this is very rarely possible. Both my little brother and my mother have most likely been saved by blood transfusions. Again, if I needed it I would take the chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalls
    Give me a reputable source for these numbers, so far most of the actuall numbers you have posted come from newspapers, lol.

    Also please explain where I took something out of context, you confused a blood bank with a plasma bank. And insinuated that this country gives prostitutes and drug addicts money for their blood, which shows your lack of knowledge on this subject.

    Germany is one of the few countries that pays for whole blood donations, and even they have a lower risk factor than the numbers your claiming.

    Obviously giving your own blood prior to a procedure and using it if necassary would be the best option but this is very rarely possible. Both my little brother and my mother have most likely been saved by blood transfusions. Again, if I needed it I would take the chance.

    When "reason" leaves the conversation, it is "reason" to leave the conversation. Feel free to ignore the dangers and may you and your family enjoy all the blood you want............................................................. The CDC is a newspaper?????????


    I wonder why these hospitals are popping up around the country????????????????????????????????????????????????



    Center for Bloodless Medicine & Surgery at Pennsylvania Hospital
    700 Spruce Street
    Suite 102
    Philadelphia, PA 19106

    Phone: 888.451.6060

    Patricia A. Ford, MD, Medical Director
    Michael J. Columbus - Administrative Director

    In the Pittsburgh area, you can contact:

    Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery
    Allegheny General Hospital
    320 East North Ave
    Pittsburgh, PA 15212-4772

    Phone: 877 284-2100
    Bloodless Medicine & Surgery Program
    Baptist Medical Center
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    Jacksonville Fl 32207

    (904) 202-3460 Local
    (866) 839-9161 Toll Free

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    Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery
    Jackson Memorial Hospital
    1611 NW 12th Avenue
    Miami, Florida 33136

    1-800-NO-4-BLDD (1-800-664-2533)
    (305) 585-7269

    L. Diane Mitchell, M.S.W., L.C.S.W, Coordinator BMSP
    Mitchell@um-jmh.org

    Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery
    Tampa General Hospital
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    P.O. Box 1289
    Tampa, FL 33606
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    Toll Free: (866) 662-5333
    Pager: (813) 332-7807
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    Medical Director:
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    Coordinator:
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    Jan Castro Graziani
    Bloodless Medicine and Surgery
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    5145 North California Avenue
    Chicago, Illinois 60625
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    Quote Originally Posted by suprarob
    When "reason" leaves the conversation, it is "reason" to leave the conversation. Feel free to ignore the dangers and may you and your family enjoy all the blood you want............................................................. The CDC is a newspaper?????????


    I wonder why these hospitals are popping up around the country????????????????????????????????????????????????


    You posted no statistics in relation to blood transfusion diseases from the CDC, only dates in which diseases become screened for. Again, please post real stats, especially the specific one I address (5% of individuals who get blood tranfusions get hepatitis). I need a reputable source for the numbers your coming up with, any reputable source.
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