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    Canseco's new book, steroids, etc

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    Jose Canseco's book, "Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits & How Baseball Got Big," has already shaken Major League Baseball to its core ... and it's just hit the bookstores today. In this excerpt from "Juiced," Canseco discusses what he perceives as the benefits of steroid use and how the drugs will be used in the future.


    A Look to the Future







    These past few years, all you had to do was turn on a radio or flip to a sports cable channel, and you could count on hearing some blowhard give you his opinion about steroids and baseball and what it says about our society and blah blah blah. Well, enough already. I'm tired of hearing such short-sighted crap from people who have no idea what they're talking about. Steroids are here to stay. That's a fact. I guarantee it. Steroids are the future. By the time my eight-year-old daughter, Josie, has graduated from high school, a majority of all professional athletes in all sports will be taking steroids. And believe it or not, that's good news.

    Let's be clear what we are talking about. In no way, shape, or form, do I endorse the use of steroids without proper medical advice and thorough expert supervision. I'll say it again: Steroids are serious. They are nothing to mess around with casually, and if anything, devoting yourself to the systematic use of steroids means you have to stay away from recreational drugs. I was never into that stuff anyway, cocaine and all that, but if you're going to work with steroids, you have to get used to clean living, smart eating, and taking care of yourself by getting plenty of rest and not overtaxing your body. I'm especially critical of anyone who starts playing around with steroids too early, when they are barely old enough to shave and not even fully grown yet. Your body is already raging with hormones at that age, and the last thing you want to do is wreak havoc with your body's natural balance. If you want to turn yourself into a nearly superhuman athlete, the way I did, you need to wait until you have matured into adulthood. That way your body can handle it. And you shouldn't fool yourself into thinking that all you need to do is just read a few articles on steroids, either. What you need to do is to absorb every scrap of information and insight on the subject to become an expert on the subject, the way I did.

    We're talking about the future here. I have no doubt whatsoever that intelligent, informed use of steroids, combined with human growth hormone, will one day be so accepted that everybody will be doing it. Steroid use will be more common than Botox is now. Every baseball player and pro athlete will be using at least low levels of steroids. As a result, baseball and other sports will be more exciting and entertaining. Human life will be improved, too. We will live longer and better. And maybe we'll love longer and better, too.

    We will be able to look good and have strong, fit bodies well into our sixties and beyond. It's called evolution, and there is no stopping it. All these people crying about steroids in baseball now will look as foolish in a few years as the people who said John F. Kennedy was crazy to say the United States would put a man on the moon. People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood.

    The public needs to be informed about the reality of steroids and how they have affected the lives of many star baseball players, including me. Have I used steroids? You bet I did. Did steroids make me a better baseball player? Of course they did. If I had it all to do over again, would I live a steroid-enriched life? Yes, I would. Do I have any regrets or qualms about relying on chemicals to help me hit a baseball so far? To be honest, no, I don't.

    We human beings are made up of chemicals. High school chemistry students learn to recite "CHOPKINS CaFe," which is all the chemical elements that make up the human body: carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorous, potassium, iodine, nitrogen, sulfur, calcium, and iron. Maybe it bothers some people to think of our bodies as just a collection of those elements, but I find it comforting.

    I like studying the body and how it works. I like knowing all about what makes us stronger and faster. If you learn about the chemicals that make up life, and study the hormones coursing through our bloodstreams that give our bodies instructions, you can learn how to improve your health through controlled use of steroids. And you can do it safely.

    Yes, you heard me right: Steroids, used correctly, will not only make you stronger and sexier, they will also make you healthier. Certain steroids, used in proper combinations, can cure certain diseases. Steroids will give you a better quality of life and also drastically slow down the aging process.

    If people learn how to use steroids and growth hormone properly, especially as they get older sixty, seventy, eighty years old their way of living will change completely. If you start young enough, when you are in your twenties, thirties, and forties, and use steroids properly, you can probably slow the aging process by fifteen or twenty years. I'm forty years old, but I look much younger and I can still do everything the way I could when I was twenty-five.

    When I talk in detail about steroids and how I single-handedly changed the game of baseball by introducing them into the game, I am saying what everyone in baseball has known for years. To all my critics, to everyone who wants to turn this into a debate about me, Jose Canseco, let me quote my favorite actor (besides Arnold Schwarzenegger, that is) and say: You can't handle the truth.

    That is the story of baseball in recent years. Everyone in the game has been hoping the lie could last as long as possible. They wanted steroids in the game to make it more exciting, hoping they would be able to build its popularity back up after the disastrous cancellation of the 1994 World Series. So when I taught other players how to use steroids, no one lifted a finger to stop me. When I educated trainers and others on how to inject players with steroids, there was nothing standing in my way. Directly or indirectly, nearly everyone in baseball was complicit.

    How do I know that? I was known as the godfather of steroids in baseball. I introduced steroids into the big leagues back in 1985, and taught other players how to use steroids and growth hormone. Back then, weight lifting was taboo in baseball. The teams didn't have weight-lifting programs. Teams didn't allow it. But once they saw what I could do as a result of my weight lifting, they said, "My God, if it's working for Jose, it's gotta work for a lot of players."

    So all of a sudden ballparks were being built with brand-new, high-tech weight-lifting facilities, and at the older ballparks they were moving stuff around and remodeling to make room for weight rooms. I definitely restructured the way the game was played. Because of my influence, and my example, there were dramatic changes in the way that players looked and the way they played. That was because of changes in their nutrition, their approach to fitness and weight lifting, and their steroid intake and education.

    If you asked any player who was the one who knew about steroids, they'd all tell you: Jose Canseco.

    Who do you go to when you want information on steroids?

    Jose Canseco.

    Who do you go to if you wanted to know if you were using it properly?

    If you picked up this book just for a few juicy tales about which players I've poked with needles full of steroids, or what it was like when Madonna sat on my lap and asked me to kiss her, that's fine with me. I've lived a colorful life, and people have always been curious about the things I've done. If you want to flip through the chapters looking for the highlights, I have no problem with that (as long as you pay the cover price, of course).

    But let me be clear that I'm writing this book for people who are ready to think for themselves. That's all I'm asking. Hear me out, listen to what I have to say about baseball and other things, and come to your own conclusions. That might sound easy, but believe me, coming to terms with a true picture of what has been going on in baseball in the past ten years or so might not be what you really want.

    Do I expect some skepticism from people? Of course I do. I've made some mistakes in the past. I've made mistakes in my personal life, and I've made mistakes in public, too. There have been times when I spoke out without realizing how my comments might sound to people. That's all water under the bridge. Now, I'm looking to the rest of my life, not dwelling on what might have been. I'm telling the truth about steroids in this book because someone has to do it. We're long overdue for some honesty and, as any ballplayer will tell you, I know the real story of steroids in baseball better than any man alive. I'm also in a position to tell you the truth because I no longer have any ties with Major League Baseball, and I have no interest in the politics and double standards of Major League Baseball. I'm my own man and always have been.
    I'm sure this book will be an interesting read, and I could care less about someone's use of steroids. I'll agree with Canseco that AAS use can even be good for the game, or just for Average Joe.

    However, I hope nobody buys this thing. I can't believe that this guy is naming names and ratting out former teammates just so he can try to make a buck. I don't care if most informed people have reached the conclusion that these guys have used or not. It's just wrong for him to pull that kind of crap. What a piece of sh*t.
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    yeah he is deffinitley hard up for money. do you remember when he was on house arrest and charging people like 5k to spend the day with him.. he truly is a POS in my opinion but he is right about most if not all those people juicing 75% at least of MLB was juiced than not so much now with all the controversy and that is clearly seen in the size of these players and HRs being hit..

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    Caseco = loser, for sure, but I certainly believe that at least 25% of what he says is probably true, and that there is a huge amount of drug use in pro sports. Duh. This is still surprising to someone?

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    I don't care for Canseco and think he's a loser. But I have no problem with his allegations about steroids in MLB. I think it's good that it sees the light of day. If someone is using and breaking records and it comes out that they are using then tough. I have no problem with them using, but if Canseco's book and the BALCO incident help break the illusion for the general public that steroids aren't a big part of pro sports then that's great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane
    I don't care for Canseco and think he's a loser. But I have no problem with his allegations about steroids in MLB. I think it's good that it sees the light of day. If someone is using and breaking records and it comes out that they are using then tough. I have no problem with them using, but if Canseco's book and the BALCO incident help break the illusion for the general public that steroids aren't a big part of pro sports then that's great.
    I don't have any problems with the allegations either. It's common knowledge to us that a large % of professional athletes juice, etc. Maybe the general public doesn't know this, so shining a light on that is a good thing. I just think it is sh*tty of him to name specific names in order to hype up his book. It reinforces my opinion of him as a self-serving loser.

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    Can't say I hold much respect for this guy, he is a self serving TOOL! Now he's even glorifying himself as "THE GODFATHER" of Steroids in baseball? I'm not sure but I think he gives himself WAY more credit than anyone else would. I guess that's why I don't liek this guy too much....surprised he hasn't dislocated his shoulders patting himself on the back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikked1
    Can't say I hold much respect for this guy, he is a self serving TOOL! Now he's even glorifying himself as "THE GODFATHER" of Steroids in baseball? I'm not sure but I think he gives himself WAY more credit than anyone else would. I guess that's why I don't liek this guy too much....surprised he hasn't dislocated his shoulders patting himself on the back!
    lmao "The Godfather"?

    Someone should teach him how to lift weights. For a guy that was on the special sauce, his physique was well below sub par. Who knows, with some proper training he probably could have elevated his game even more.

    (I know you don't need to be jacked in order to hit baseballs, but hell, putting on quality muscle mass wouldn't hurt him either)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manveet

    Someone should teach him how to lift weights. For a guy that was on the special sauce, his physique was well below sub par. Who knows, with some proper training he probably could have elevated his game even more.
    I would like to retract this statement. I just saw a snippet of Canseco working out while flipping through the channels. He's a big and lean dude.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

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    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Manveet
    I would like to retract this statement. I just saw a snippet of Canseco working out while flipping through the channels. He's a big and lean dude.
    was it a clip of him NOW? or back in the day? I always recall him being bigger than the average player, but not someone i would accuse of juicing.

    he had the physique of someone who was a dedicated athlete IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWebb78
    was it a clip of him NOW? or back in the day? I always recall him being bigger than the average player, but not someone i would accuse of juicing.

    he had the physique of someone who was a dedicated athlete IMO.
    i agree. i've seen clips of him back in the day and he was pretty big. his physique didn't scream "steroids", but i'd say half the juicers i know really aren't all that big. i wouldn't expect a professional athlete to look like a pro bodybuilder, though. all that mass wouldn't be functional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWebb78
    was it a clip of him NOW? or back in the day? I always recall him being bigger than the average player, but not someone i would accuse of juicing.

    he had the physique of someone who was a dedicated athlete IMO.
    It was now, and he looked big and lean. He looks better now, then he did back then, judging by that short clip.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

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    He's a little bitch that is tattling on everyone that he possibly can because he is now a 'has-been'. He made several allegations that may very well be true...but c'mon, let other people live their lives and go live yours in your trail park, bitch. Canseco used steroids back in the day and now he wants to tattle on everyone else so he looks like a hero...oh and he can make a ton of money in the process of this little scam. I hope he gets sued millions.

    We may know a lot about this or assume that certain athletes use steroids. A far amount due, but I'm not too sure about during the season as nfl and nba get tested quite frequently. I do know that the general public does not know much of this information though...so any little thing such as a few baseball players taking steroids, oh my god??!! what are steroids. seriously...bah

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    I think that Canseco is possibly comparable to the lowest form of life on the planet. He's a scumbag, has absolutely 0 friends, and is a coward for only releasing the book after his playing days were over so that he didnt' have to receive any sort of punishment from it.

    That said, I'd say that he has probably told at least a form of the truth in his book. He looked very comfortable on 60 minutes the other night.

    However, if you were a vistor in the Oakland locker room in the early 1990s, don't you think it would look a little strange to see Canseco and McGwire attempting to squeeze themselves into a single bathroom stall holding a needle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBB
    I'm sure this book will be an interesting read, and I could care less about someone's use of steroids. I'll agree with Canseco that AAS use can even be good for the game, or just for Average Joe.

    However, I hope nobody buys this thing. I can't believe that this guy is naming names and ratting out former teammates just so he can try to make a buck. I don't care if most informed people have reached the conclusion that these guys have used or not. It's just wrong for him to pull that kind of crap. What a piece of sh*t.
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    I don't have any problems with the allegations either. It's common knowledge to us that a large % of professional athletes juice, etc. Maybe the general public doesn't know this, so shining a light on that is a good thing. I just think it is sh*tty of him to name specific names in order to hype up his book. It reinforces my opinion of him as a self-serving loser.
    :withstupi My thoughts exactly

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    People are ALWAYS hated or persecuted for telling the truth. The public is ignorant and WILL chose to remain ignorant to the FACT that ALL sports are INUDATED with rampant DRUG use!!!

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    it's really too bad this book is already selling so well. not because of it's content, but because Canseco will make money.

    He has always been a piece of crap. growing up close to Oakland, I always got to read the stories about Canseco going to bars with friends and picking fights and jumping guys. as if that made him tough.

    What bugs me about the book most has to be that he is using shock tactics to sell. He is dropping the race card a lot by saying that white players don't get in trouble but he did for being from Cuba etc. He also knows he HAS to mention McGwire and Giambi. he couldnt make money on a book by saying that Steinbach or lesser known players were using steroids. He even implies Ripken Jr. used which is beyond laughable. he is just throwing out big names because thats what will make his book sell.

    Dave Stewart was interviewed and said in his entire time with Canseco as a teammate he never saw him and McGwire hang out together. Canseco alineated himself, mostly because nobody liked him.
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    I don't know if I have a problem with him naming names. If Bonds broke the home run record while using and McGwire did the same, I think it's fine for the public to know that they did it with the anabolic aids. Of course, you know other MLB players and the league are going to try and do damage control. It all comes down to whether or not the statements are true. But, having said that, I'd love to see the book not sell well so the guy doesn't make money off it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane
    I don't know if I have a problem with him naming names. If Bonds broke the home run record while using and McGwire did the same, I think it's fine for the public to know that they did it with the anabolic aids.
    It's none of Canseco's business. If the public can't figure it out for themselves then they can continue living in a world of naivety; it's not some half-wit's responsibility to rat everyone out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vido
    It's none of Canseco's business. If the public can't figure it out for themselves then they can continue living in a world of naivety; it's not some half-wit's responsibility to rat everyone out.
    Someone has to rat it out or it's not going to see the light of day. I could care less if all the athletes in pro sports are using. I have no problem with that. But if they are going to be held in high regard and compared to the athletes of the past then if they are doing it through a method that is illegal in the current system, they deserve to be exposed to the general population, even if the owners know about it. Maybe it would actually even lower the taboo of steroids for the general public? But someone had to be the rat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane
    Someone has to rat it out or it's not going to see the light of day. I could care less if all the athletes in pro sports are using. I have no problem with that. But if they are going to be held in high regard and compared to the athletes of the past then if they are doing it through a method that is illegal in the current system, they deserve to be exposed to the general population, even if the owners know about it. Maybe it would actually even lower the taboo of steroids for the general public? But someone had to be the rat.
    In Canseco's initial statements over a year ago, he said that something like 85% of MLB players used drugs. Regardless of the accuracy of the figure, that statement to me is acceptable...pinpointing a few guys is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vido
    In Canseco's initial statements over a year ago, he said that something like 85% of MLB players used drugs. Regardless of the accuracy of the figure, that statement to me is acceptable...pinpointing a few guys is not.
    They were knowingly breaking the rules. Regardless of how many people do it, when you break the rules and associate with other rulebreakers, you run the risk of getting caught. Thats how it works in the outside world, thats how it works in the sports world. Don't want to get ousted? Don't break the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane
    I don't know if I have a problem with him naming names. If Bonds broke the home run record while using and McGwire did the same, I think it's fine for the public to know that they did it with the anabolic aids. Of course, you know other MLB players and the league are going to try and do damage control. It all comes down to whether or not the statements are true. But, having said that, I'd love to see the book not sell well so the guy doesn't make money off it.
    IF? IF? IF?


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    Of course they broke the records "juicing", they we're skinny runts that became monsters by accident, coincidence or some fluke? Yeah and I have oceanfront property for sale in Utah. Thay are ALL a bunch of losers. Drugs are for users and losers...IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suprarob
    Of course they broke the records "juicing", they we're skinny runts that became monsters by accident, coincidence or some fluke? Yeah and I have oceanfront property for sale in Utah. Thay are ALL a bunch of losers. Drugs are for users and losers...IMO.
    Yeah, anyone who uses steroids is a HUGE loser

    Anyway, this isn't another thread about pro athletes using drugs; that horse has been beaten to death. Anyone with half a brain knows that a large % of pro athletes use/have used performance-enhancing drugs. The thread is about Jose Canseco's book, and yes the guy is a moron, but I actually like what he's doing. The premise of the book is solid; the public is largely quite unintelligent/knowledgeable when it comes to drug use, and anything that opens their eyes is definitely a good thing. The only issue I have with this little project of Canseco's is him naming names...nobody likes a tattletale.

    On a side note, what the hell does "drugs are for users" mean? That has to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard. It's like "cat food's for cats"...ummm yeah, so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vido
    Anyway, this isn't another thread about pro athletes using drugs; that horse has been beaten to death. Anyone with half a brain knows that a large % of pro athletes use/have used performance-enhancing drugs. The thread is about Jose Canseco's book, and yes the guy is a moron, but I actually like what he's doing. The premise of the book is solid; the public is largely quite unintelligent/knowledgeable when it comes to drug use, and anything that opens their eyes is definitely a good thing. The only issue I have with this little project of Canseco's is him naming names...nobody likes a tattletale.
    The only problem with this, is that the general public is still so dense. They think Canseco is badmouthing other players because he wasn't well liked, needs money, wants attention, etc. Sure a lot of that is true, but that doesn't mean he is a liar. Then you have idiots like LaRussa coming out and saying that Canseco juiced, but no one else did, and he could tell because of how hard they worked and how well they ate compared to how cocky and arrogant Canseco was about his own training. He also claimed that anyone could get into the shape McGwire, Bonds, et al. did without steroids, just with proper diet and training. No wonder the public is so naive, they're constantly getting smoke blown up their asses. It's irrelevant though, the American public is so anti-drug they aren't even capable of accepting the prevalence of drug use/abuse in society, let alone how absolutely rampant it is in professional sports.

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