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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Got this friend..he is overweight and he wants to lose weight. I have talked to him for a while about it and he has motivation to actually get started. He usually eats fast food and all, because he doesn't take the time to cook. I think I have convinced him to start cooking and he says he will start going on the treadmill and all. Well, anyway..I'm not the smartest on diets and all so I was wondering if I could get some help from you people and ask if you could come up with some diet to help him lose weight and quick, but still keeping him healthy and all. Please help, thanks

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    Getting him to do his Cardio on an empty stomach in the morning would be a good start. Also, make sure he's getting enough essential fats (Naturel peanut butter, Flax seed oil ... egg yolks etc).

    If he's carb sensitive it might be an idea for him to stick to Carbs that are low Glycemic. Brown Rice, Pasta, black beans etc etc. But thats just an idea .... if fat loss is his only goal then this is probebly overkill.

    No sugery foods and no fatty food ... plenty of cardio .... and he'll be slim in no time. Tell him he can have a treat once a week though.
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    Thanks.

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    "Getting him to do his Cardio on an empty stomach in the morning would be a good start."

    DO NOT do your cardio in the morning on an empty stomach.

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    LOL@ cack telling yates he's wrong.

    Do tell, why it's not a good idea...

    I'm not looking to argue...I'd just like to hear why you feel this way...

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    Yeah Cack.. why is that wrong?
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    I'm not going to start this whole damn thing all over again.

    I've been debating it for the last 3 days at elitefitness.

    Here's the link: http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthre...9&pagenumber=2

    Anything new to add, feel free.

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    The resolution to this debate is simple:

    1. Cardio is most effective when glycogen stores are low
    2. Cardio affects metabolism not only during, but also after.
    3. Cardio can lead to muscle catabolism, most of which is the taking of free form Gluatamine from your muscle tissue.

    Implications?

    1. Do cardio first thing in the morning or after lifting weights.
    2. The earlier in the day the better as the effects last until you sleep.
    3. Don't eat carbs before but protein and even better, Glutamine, taken before cardio can prevent muscle catabolism.


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    Cack I read a bit of that thread and your wrong on the order in which energy is used. You said the body uses 1. Glycogen stores
    2. Muscle
    3. Fat stores

    Well according to every kinesiology book in print its in this order:
    1. Glycogen stores
    2. Fat stores
    3. protein

    I'd like to see where you got your info from.

    BTW - Weren't we talking about this a month ago and you were saying how cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is superior?
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    Fat is tapped into first i know that, and i do believe both fat AND muscle are broken down together in a 60% fat 40% muscle ratio.

    Don't take that as text book cause it is just something that has been at the back of my mind now for some time, I'm quite sure it's correct though.
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    Cack, as u said in Elite fitness that muscle will burn before fat burns, do u mean that if you do cardio 24/7 u'll have very little muscle before ur body starts to burn fat......??

    I agree with CD, i did read about it somewhere and i tried to find it.. but damn i dont know where i saw it.. i'll keep looking for it though..
    I believe that muscle and fat burns off at about same rate..

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    So can someone tell me a good calorie/fat/carb/protein ratio for him? And help me set up a diet? This info is good, thanks.

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    CARDIO IS MORE PRODUCTIVE IN A MORNING ON AN EMPTY STOMACH. Im not gonna say it again.

    I've tried both !!!!!! Night Cardio and Morning Cardio. The difference is shocking

    I suggest you try it Cack and see if your opitions change.
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    I agree with you, yates. Who cares what some cut and paste says. It's what happens in real life, not on some paper, that matters anyway.

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    nothing is better than first hand experience doing these things yourself. Learn to be sensory accute to changes within your body, every top level athlete is able to do this

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    I agree with Yates and Beercan on the topic that fat burning can be more productive in the morning after a night of fasting.
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    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Cack..

    I think if you do an EXCESSIVE amount of cardio in the morning, muscle loss can occur. But if you do moderate levels, no more than 30 mins, I think you shouldnt have to worry about muscle loss.

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    Sorry i took so long...

    Yes, cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is more effective at burning fat, i never said it wasn't. It's just that you lose so much muscle in the process. More negatives than positives. BTW, "experience" means nothing on a message board.

    Avatar, did the book state weight training experience?
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    Originally posted by Cackerot69

    Yes, cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is more effective at burning fat, i never said it wasn't. It's just that you lose so much muscle in the process. More negatives than positives.
    I'm assuming you are theorizing on this topic?
    There are other factors that need to be addressed.
    To state that it will eat into your muscles is not entirely true.
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    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    cardio in most cases is catabolic no matter when u do it. what i did to lose weight was to spike my basal metabolism with intense lifting w/o breakfast. u don't emphasize burning cals during the workout, rather for the rest of the day. this sounds wierd, but it works. i never did cardio (willfully that is ), but i have managed to drop to 4%bf with just intense lifting in the morning w/o breakfast.
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    Originally posted by Podium Kreatin
    cardio in most cases is catabolic no matter when u do it.
    We are talking about cardiovascular exercise right?
    If so how do you explain 100-400 metre sprinters.
    Are you talking about aerobic exercise?
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    "Soli Deo Gloria"
    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

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    Intense lifting in a morning without breakfast is a very very very very bad idea.

    Note how many times I said very.
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    Mac, or should i say Maki Riddington ...

    Yes, I am pretty much theorizing, so are you guys, there is no proof, and barely any evidence that morning cardio is superior. All we have to work with is knowledge of the body. The body is built for survival, you think it's going to burn that fat before it burns all of that excess calorie wasting muscle?

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    If most cardio is catabolic, consuming some glutamine b4 I play rugby would help wouldnt it?
    If I eat myself, will I get bigger, or simply disappear?

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