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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    How impressive is a 315lb bench press?

    My current 1 rep max is 225lbs, which, I don't care what anyone says, is impressive to a non gym goer. As a 6'4" ectomorph, with long arms, I'm anything but ideal for benching (or squatting), but I've worked hard to get where I'm at now. My eventual goal is a 315lb bench. I see this as a fairly distant reality, given my current lack of progress in that area. My question is; how rare is a 315lb bench press in gym goers? It's a vague question I know. Ultimately my point is, that being able to bench almost two full grown men, is very impressive, and that it's only the existence of the excetionally strong that seems to make a 315lb bench press seem run of the mill, when in fact it is, by general standars, extremely impressive. Don't you think?

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    IMO almost any trainee can hit 315 with patience, knowledge, and dedication.
    "I added some db curls with the pink weights for a bit of a burn." - Rookiebldr

    "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas

    "had a huge ass burn on my triceps while I was doing those kickbacks, so they'll likely be staying with my exercise program." - Zearoth

    "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Crippler
    IMO almost any trainee can hit 315 with patience, knowledge, and dedication.

    How can you say that if you've never benched the weight? What experience are you basing this statement off of?
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    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    How can you say that if you've never benched the weight? What experience are you basing this statement off of?
    It's true though, it's really not that difficult if you lift on a consistent basis. I did it after a little more than 1.5 years of lifting, and I'm a naturally skinny guy that started out with a 115lb max bench, and I dont' even train for strength, I'm more of a bodybuilder. I would imagine that people who are natrually stocky could get to that milestone faster than I did

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetopdog
    It's true though, it's really not that difficult if you lift on a consistent basis. I did it after a little more than 1.5 years of lifting, and I'm a naturally skinny guy that started out with a 115lb max bench, and I dont' even train for strength, I'm more of a bodybuilder. I would imagine that people who are natrually stocky could get to that milestone faster than I did
    It may be true for you, however your own experience does not account for the general population who lift weights.
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    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    It may be true for you, however your own experience does not account for the general population who lift weights.
    I am aware that you can't take one example and try to apply it to the general population, but I did start out weaker than most which should account for something.

    And I'm 99% sure that the vast majority of the general population that lifts weights can make the same or even better progress than I did, IF they do it on a consistent basis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    How can you say that if you've never benched the weight? What experience are you basing this statement off of?
    Whether or not I have benched the weight does not matter, since I am basing my statement off of the regular population. 315 is a very respectable lift, however you will rarely find someone who has trained hard and trained smart for over a decade who cannot bench this weight. If you can show me otherwise, please do.
    "I added some db curls with the pink weights for a bit of a burn." - Rookiebldr

    "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas

    "had a huge ass burn on my triceps while I was doing those kickbacks, so they'll likely be staying with my exercise program." - Zearoth

    "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx

    "We have a lot of people like that on our campus, all hippies and things, that go around preaching against corporations, jocks, preps, accountants, and anyone else that feels the need to shower more than occasionally." - Shankerr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    It may be true for you, however your own experience does not account for the general population who lift weights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HahnB
    Starting out at 115lb bench press and a year and a half later benching 315 is by no means normal at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Crippler
    Whether or not I have benched the weight does not matter, since I am basing my statement off of the regular population. 315 is a very respectable lift, however you will rarely find someone who has trained hard and trained smart for over a decade who cannot bench this weight. If you can show me otherwise, please do.
    Obviously no one can "show" you, much like you can't "show" us that your statement is true. I don't think you need much more evidence than the fact that if you look around a gym on a daily basis, there's only a handful of guys benching 315 with good form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vido
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    Obviously no one can "show" you, much like you can't "show" us that your statement is true. I don't think you need much more evidence than the fact that if you look around a gym on a daily basis, there's only a handful of guys benching 315 with good form.
    :withstupi

    I'm not sure why anyone would choose to argue that 315 is a common bench or easily attainable by all people. I'd wager if you're benching 315 with good form you're in the top 20-25% of any gym as far as strength goes at any given time. It's pretty unrealistic to think that's a common lift by any means.

    *Edit - Just to clarify. That estimate is really conservative. I doubt at your average gym (24 fitness, Bally's, etc.) 1 in 10 lifters could manage to put up 315 with good form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Crippler
    Whether or not I have benched the weight does not matter, since I am basing my statement off of the regular population. 315 is a very respectable lift, however you will rarely find someone who has trained hard and trained smart for over a decade who cannot bench this weight. If you can show me otherwise, please do.
    The regular population do not train hard nor are they knowledgable. We are a minority. So to say they could if they posessed the smarts and dedication is a big what if.

    What you are saying in another way is this. If you train hard, eat enough, get the right amount of rest and take the right supplements you can be 210 pounds at 10% bodyfat.
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    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    The regular population do not train hard nor are they knowledgable. We are a minority. So to say they could if they posessed the smarts and dedication is a big what if.

    What you are saying in another way is this. If you train hard, eat enough, get the right amount of rest and take the right supplements you can be 210 pounds at 10% bodyfat.
    No, that is not what I am saying. That is a totally different issue. I do not think anyone can be 210 @ 10%

    What I am saying is that almost any person training smart, training hard, and having patience can attain a 315 bench press. I am not saying almost every person in the gym has attained this, nor am I saying that the everday person in the gym doing ****-all can attain it.
    "I added some db curls with the pink weights for a bit of a burn." - Rookiebldr

    "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas

    "had a huge ass burn on my triceps while I was doing those kickbacks, so they'll likely be staying with my exercise program." - Zearoth

    "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx

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    i think it's impressive. 225 is pretty impresssive to me. 200 is my goal by summer time. then hopefully i'll hit 225 before school starts again in september.

    i think you can do it though. keep working.

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    depends on how big you are and what forum you ask in.

    If you weigh 220 pounds and posting in powerlifter forum after 5 years of trianing then its not very impressive.

    If your 140 pounds and been trianing 6 months in the powerlifting forum then its far more impressive.
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    personally i think that anyone who puts in the effort to get a high bench, is impressive, no matter what the weight is, if you put in the dedication, ill give you props.

    but personally i feel that 315 is impressive, but certainly not rare
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    Most people will never bench 315 pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_mm
    Most people will never bench 315 pounds.
    wow thats some great motivation man

    Dont listen to him^^if you work hard enough you can get to 315lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brotherofiron
    wow thats some great motivation man

    Dont listen to him^^if you work hard enough you can get to 315lbs
    spite and reverse physocology can be more motivating.

    though the original psoter did ask how common this is and most people will not do this. Most will not achieve this due A) lack of motivation B) lack of knowledge. C) not inline with there goals.
    though there are some people who just alck the genetics to get there.
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brotherofiron
    wow thats some great motivation man

    Dont listen to him^^if you work hard enough you can get to 315lbs


    That should be the best motivation that someone could ask for, and it was also very truthful. Most people will never bench 315. Will most pro-bodybuilders bench 315? You bet.
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    I dont think that he is trying to discourage him, I think that he is saying that it is impressive because few people bench 315.

    I agree w/ brotherofiron that 315 is impressive, but not rare.

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    but still, he shouldnt try and discourage him, you can get to 315, i know i will be there as will many others on this site...someday
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    everyone has their own idea on what impressive is... it pretty much depends on where your current strength level. but i think 315 is a strong bench and definately something worth working for.
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    315 is when you can START saying you have a good bench, but I wouldn't throw it in anyones face at this point.

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    315 is VERY impressive to 99.9% of the population. However for the people you would like to impress, this would mearly be respectable.
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    Andre agassi, supposedly, hits a 1RM at around 315lb. (as heard on the telly, dont quote me :P
    That, would be impressive to see, at his body weight and age.

    225 is still a great bench. 4 plates plus oly bar is sweet.

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    I think 315 is impressive. Not so much a 1RM but if you can get it 4 or more times clean then yeah I think it is.

    Even 275 is prett impressive. Although most of the population will not reach 315 or even 275 for that matter because of reasons stated by 'body' I find it impressive. It's when I see others hitting 405 when I break my concentration to keep an eye on them, just to see what the rest of their lifts are like.


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