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    Straps and deadlifts...

    I added DL's to my routine (Should've a long time ago)!! The first week I did low weights, because I wanted to be sure of the form. Then I added weights and couldn't hold on, so I bought straps. I went in thinking I would be lifting much more...but the funny thing is...straps don't work well when not used correctly I managed the weights, but KILLED my forearms. Well...I know how to use straps now...

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    I had a hard time holding the weight for a while, but I've stayed away from straps up to this point. I figured my grip needed a lot of improvement, so it would only help me to fight to hold that bar. Now I can deadlift 300 (started in January), and the grip holds up through 3 reps of it after a full run-through of the other weights. You don't wnat to compromise your grip yet..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrelwooddowd
    I had a hard time holding the weight for a while, but I've stayed away from straps up to this point. I figured my grip needed a lot of improvement, so it would only help me to fight to hold that bar. Now I can deadlift 300 (started in January), and the grip holds up through 3 reps of it after a full run-through of the other weights. You don't wnat to compromise your grip yet..
    Why? People act like straps are so bad. What's the big deal with having to have a super strong grip? What will you use it for? Is grip more important to you than back progress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    Why? People act like straps are so bad. What's the big deal with having to have a super strong grip? What will you use it for? Is grip more important to you than back progress?
    There's 2 sides to it. Straps will help you lift more in the short run, but won't allow your grip strength to increase much. If you develop a "super strong grip" as you put it, you will be able to lift more weight eventually...and EVEN MORE with straps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vido
    There's 2 sides to it. Straps will help you lift more in the short run, but won't allow your grip strength to increase much. If you develop a "super strong grip" as you put it, you will be able to lift more weight eventually...and EVEN MORE with straps.
    that is so laughable. How would having a stronger grip allow you to lift more? Straps will always be stronger than the strongest grip

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    How would having a stronger grip allow you to lift more?
    I'm not even sure if this question warrants a response. One word: WOW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vido
    I'm not even sure if this question warrants a response. One word: WOW
    THe question should be rephrased, I mean, how will increasing your grip strengeth have anything to do with what you can pull with straps on? It will have no effect.

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    Someone who never trains without straps has a lower non strap max, therefore when straps are taken into account, the person who trained without them will be able to lift more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    THe question should be rephrased, I mean, how will increasing your grip strengeth have anything to do with what you can pull with straps on? It will have no effect.
    Maybe straps work differently for you than anyone else I know, but they don't allow you to lift an infinite amount of weight. Take someone with really weak grip who can only db shrug 50's without straps. He can probably shrug 70's or 75's with straps, but he won't be doing 120's.

    I don't understand how you could say that grip has NO effect at all. Straps take some of the burden off of your grip, but they don't eliminate it as a factor entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spencerjrus
    Someone who never trains without straps has a lower non strap max, therefore when straps are taken into account, the person who trained without them will be able to lift more.
    Both of us are wording things in quite a confusing manner, but we're on the same page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spencerjrus
    Someone who never trains without straps has a lower non strap max, therefore when straps are taken into account, the person who trained without them will be able to lift more.
    It depends on your grip. If you can hold the weight for the same amount of reps as you would with straps, it won't matter.

    Let's end all this blabbering, there will always be people who say no straps. I say use straps on your heavy set. You work your grip. I'll work my back

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    It depends on your grip. If you can hold the weight for the same amount of reps as you would with straps, it won't matter.
    If you could hold the weight for the same number of reps as you would with straps why would you be using straps on that weight at all? Doesn't really make much sense. It doesn't really matter though because you can progress without straps and you can progress with them as well. That's all that really matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    It depends on your grip. If you can hold the weight for the same amount of reps as you would with straps, it won't matter.

    Let's end all this blabbering, there will always be people who say no straps. I say use straps on your heavy set. You work your grip. I'll work my back

    You're proposing that your back will be stronger than mine because you use straps? I think your logic might be flawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spencerjrus
    You're proposing that your back will be stronger than mine because you use straps? I think your logic might be flawed.
    Can you argue against the fact that straps will always be better grip than just hands?

    By the time your bar is slipping out of your hands, I am still doing reps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    Can you argue against the fact that straps will always be better grip than just hands?

    By the time your bar is slipping out of your hands, I am still doing reps.
    You're absolutely right. And that was never my point.

    My initial response was regarding you basically inferring grip strength is irrelevant. Grip strength is the weak link for a lot of people on pulling exercises; it's very likely it will hold you back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    Can you argue against the fact that straps will always be better grip than just hands?

    By the time your bar is slipping out of your hands, I am still doing reps.

    I wasn't arguing with that, I merely didnt see how using straps is going to make your back stronger.

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    I have little girlie hands. If I didn't use straps, I'd still only dead a plate a side. I'd LOVE to have stronger grip strength, but not as much as I love having a good strong back.

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    Straps are a necessity. There is simply no way that you can argue your grip isn't holding you back, if you forever refuse to use straps. Your back is stronger than your grip and you need to use heavier weights to improve your back at the maximum rate than your forearms can handle.

    It should be noted I supplement my training with grip exercises but I refuse to compromise my back development because I won't use straps.

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    Straps--OMG yes. Train the grip separately. There is no way I would be getting anything out of stiff-legged deads if I didn't use straps.
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    I think using straps this early will only serve as a crutch, I have yet to use straps I can dl with a mixed grip over 400 and can get about 360 with a double overhand.... before i could barely hold on.... just keep at it and your grip will improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by British Pimp
    Straps are a necessity.

    They are not a necessity. To use or not use straps is just a matter of preference. I started with straps and for the longest time, I was doing fine. Then, in an effort to reduce my gym time, I decided to dump them because I wanted to stop doing extra grip work. I have been strap free for about a 2 years now I think and my grip has improved dramatically. I have never once felt like my grip has limited any pulling lift.

    Please don't say stuff like that because there are quite a few people on this forum that will whole heartedly disagree about straps being necessary and have the proof to back it up.
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    Stop lifting like a little girl and using straps.

    Very rarely do you see a 500+ deadlifter who uses straps.

    Edit: I suppose if one is doing high-rep sets of eight or ten plus, straps might be a convenience. For heavy low-rep deads, don't bother.
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    when your back is stronger than your grip you cant use it in the real world to pick stuff up. though for many that is not a concern. if your grip is stronger than your back you can do much more with that than you can with a strong back but no grip.

    straps should be used when you are lifting very competetive amounts of weight, not to start out. straps wont give you an infallable grip, but if you also have the grip then straps will help you more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borris
    Stop lifting like a little girl and using straps.

    Very rarely do you see a 500+ deadlifter who uses straps.
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