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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Throw on 90 or more lbs and tell me that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beholder
    What is the problem with doign wide grip pullups??? I havent had a problem with my shoulders? :o
    Yet... Just because you haven't suffered injury, doesn't mean something isn't bad for you. Most injuries suffered from training don't come from one incident, but rather are from repetitive motions done over a long period of time. It's safe to say that tendonitis is much more common than muscle tears in lifters, for instance.

    Wide grip pullups/pulldowns are tougher on your shoulders, as it is a less natural motion. Plus, it is a much less efficient movement that limits the ROM, so why do them?
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    Ok, I guess I've been wrong this whole time because I've followed exrx. So the chins in WBB#1 are supposed to be done with palms facing toward me? I've been doing them facing away. Should I switch? I really feel like the pull-ups I've been doing works my back well. I would think my bi's would be worked if I switched to chins.

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    ABDomega:
    IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHICH ONE YOU DO.

    If it's working, GREAT!!! Cannot ephasize that enough. There are no magic exercises. Stick with it. Yes, chins will work biceps more, but it's not a hugely signficant difference for your lats, say any more than doing a few extra reps with one exercise or another.

    Beholder and company:
    It pains ME when I see someone doing wide grip pullups, that's how bad they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trich daddy
    You're probably not strong enough for regular pullups yet. Keep rockin the chins until pullups seem relatively easy. Then weight them
    So, if I just do chinups on my first 2 sets, and for the last set do as many pullups as I can, would that work? Or should I just not do pullups at ALL right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatrb38
    I try to visualize that my girlfriend is under the weight and I have to push the weight up to save her. Of course it doesn't work and I just laugh as I think about the weight slowly crushing her bones. Then I remember it's me under the weight and give 200% effort to push it back up.

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    I recommend doing pullups first, because they are harder, and then switching to chins.

    If you can only do a few pullups, then doing chins first will make it much harder.

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    I prefer a neutral grip (if i can find bars that are spaced just right), it feels like they place my arms/shoulders in their most natural position. Since my right rotator/AC joint give me problems this is important to me. If not a neutral grip I will go for the curl grip.
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    so wide grip pull ups are back for your shoulders (rotary cuff?). are doing pull ups with a lat bar (a standing lat tower) holding the bar as if you're doing lat pull downs just as tough on your shoulders? and if so... for pull ups (hands facing away) would it be safest to have your hands at just outside your shoulders in width on the bar?

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    Wide grip hurt my shoulders for sure. I think you meant to say BAD instead of BACK.

    Personally, any pulldown/chin/pullup type movement hurt my shoulders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gino
    Yet... Just because you haven't suffered injury, doesn't mean something isn't bad for you. Most injuries suffered from training don't come from one incident, but rather are from repetitive motions done over a long period of time. It's safe to say that tendonitis is much more common than muscle tears in lifters, for instance.

    Wide grip pullups/pulldowns are tougher on your shoulders, as it is a less natural motion. Plus, it is a much less efficient movement that limits the ROM, so why do them?
    What should I replace them with?

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    How about... drumroll please... on three... one... two.. three...

    PULLUPS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gino

    Wide grip pullups/pulldowns are tougher on your shoulders, as it is a less natural motion. Plus, it is a much less efficient movement that limits the ROM, so why do them?
    Do you have a pic of the more ideal arm width then?

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    I would think slightly wider than shoulder width is ideal. It works for me.

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    Any motion that you pull the weight, for lack of better desc.,down through your head, like: pulldowns, pullups, and chins basically work the same muscles. Some hand placements are more comfortable than others and put your body in a more natural position/range of motion; some allow for a better range of motion which seems to be the way to train if you are looking for growth.

    Someones hand placement may not seem as comfortable to you so just focus on what you find to be comfortable and progressing with and lift!

    Do you have a pic of the more ideal arm width then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beholder
    What should I replace them with?
    shoulder width pull ups with palms facing you. or nuetral grip pull ups
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mission
    Do you have a pic of the more ideal arm width then?
    post a pic of your shoulder width. then put your arms up. we say which ic are best to use.
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    I recommend doing pullups first, because they are harder, and then switching to chins.

    If you can only do a few pullups, then doing chins first will make it much harder.
    Now I'm confused. You say to do pullups while trich daddy says to do chinups. What should I do?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatrb38
    I try to visualize that my girlfriend is under the weight and I have to push the weight up to save her. Of course it doesn't work and I just laugh as I think about the weight slowly crushing her bones. Then I remember it's me under the weight and give 200% effort to push it back up.

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    Trich daddy was saying to do chinups for a while until you get good with them and then switch to pullups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CiteCollegiale
    Trich daddy was saying to do chinups for a while until you get good with them and then switch to pullups.
    But will that really help my pullup strength more than just doing pullups would (at this point)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatrb38
    I try to visualize that my girlfriend is under the weight and I have to push the weight up to save her. Of course it doesn't work and I just laugh as I think about the weight slowly crushing her bones. Then I remember it's me under the weight and give 200% effort to push it back up.

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    penguin man, do pullups for a good back, chinups for good biceps.

    I was looking at my gym's pullup station and noticed there's a grip that makes your hands in a hammer curl like position. How does this work?

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    I'd imagine it would involve pulling your body upwards somehow, perhaps using your biceps and lats.
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