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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Shoulders & Biceps

    I am currently doing Shoulders and Biceps on the same day. The exercises are listed below:

    1. Smith Shoulder Press - 3 * 145lbs
    2. Smith Behind Neck Press - 3* 115lbs
    3. Seated Lateral Raises - 3 * 70lbs total
    4. Smith Upright Row - 3* 105lbs
    5. Concentration Curls - 3*70lbs total
    6. Barbell Curl - 80lbs
    7. Cable Curls - 130lbs

    By the time I make it to Biceps, I am very fatigued due to the amount of energy I put into the shoulder exercises, seeing big gains on the deltoids, and feel like I am cheating myself on the biceps and not working them hard enough. Any recommendations as to whether I should change up the routine and do Abs on shoulder day and fit in biceps with back. Any thoughts are appreciated...

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    why not lighten up on the shoulder load a bit?
    PRs: 655/525/645 = 1825 Total
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidior
    why not lighten up on the shoulder load a bit?
    Cause my shoulders are my strongest...I see the biggest gains on them next to legs. Check my profile to take a look...why lighten up, want to keep gettin bigger!!
    Last edited by Mike99; 03-16-2005 at 04:53 PM.

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    what does your split look like?
    PRs: 655/525/645 = 1825 Total
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    where in canada you workin out btw?
    PRs: 655/525/645 = 1825 Total
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidior
    what does your split look like?
    Not sure what u mean by that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidior
    where in canada you workin out btw?
    Calgary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike99
    Not sure what u mean by that?
    workout split
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    Quote Originally Posted by getfit
    workout split
    Monday - Chest/Triceps
    Tuesday - off
    Wednesday - Back/Forearms
    Thursday - Legs/Abs
    Friday - Shoulders/Biceps
    Saturday - Off
    Sunday - Cardio - Ball Hockey

    This is what I try to stick too, but with school it is tough. So it changes quite a bit. Every second week I usually work out on weekend and miss monday and Wednesday. My cardio consists of 2hrs of ball hockey...Awesome workout!!

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    like what do u do each day...like your routine?
    PRs: 655/525/645 = 1825 Total
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidior
    like what do u do each day...like your routine?

    here is a list of all my exercises...

    Chest:
    Flat Bench Press
    Smith Incline Bench Press
    Decline Dumbell bench Press
    Chest Fly's Machine
    **Note**Fit Chest Dips in Every 2nd week


    Back:
    Bent over Barbell Row
    Smith Shrug
    Close Grip Pulldown
    Wide Grip Pulldown
    Seated Cable Row
    **Note**Rotate Between Pulldowns

    Biceps
    Standing Barbell Curls
    Cable Curls
    Concentration Curls

    Triceps:
    Tricep Cable Pulldown
    Seated Tricep Extension
    Kick Back
    Sometime fit in Dips

    Legs
    Smith Squats
    Leg Press
    Leg Extention
    Seated Calfs
    Standing Leg Curl

    Shoulders:
    Smith Shoulder Press - 3 * 145lbs
    Smith Behind Neck Press - 3* 115lbs
    Seated Lateral Raises - 3 * 70lbs total
    Smith Upright Row - 3* 105lbs

    Forearms:
    Barbell reverse Curl
    Dumbell/barbell Wrist Curl

    Abs:
    Incline leg hip raise
    Jack Knife Sit-up
    Verticle leg hipr aise

    Check back and I will post all my stats out of my journal...

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    I've heard that behind-the-neck presses invite injury to the shoulders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatrb38
    I try to visualize that my girlfriend is under the weight and I have to push the weight up to save her. Of course it doesn't work and I just laugh as I think about the weight slowly crushing her bones. Then I remember it's me under the weight and give 200% effort to push it back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixationdarknes
    I've heard that behind-the-neck presses invite injury to the shoulders.
    Really, can u elaborate on that? I already suffered an diclocated Ac joint separation, and fractured scapula in accident..what more could go wrong....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fixationdarknes
    I've heard that behind-the-neck presses invite injury to the shoulders.
    Can u tell me exactly how u had the stats added to your message every time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike99
    Can u tell me exactly how u had the stats added to your message every time...
    its part of his signature...

    and regarding the split, what exercises do your perform each day and in what order?
    Like back day 1, shoulders and bis day 2...whatever
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidior
    its part of his signature...

    and regarding the split, what exercises do your perform each day and in what order?
    Like back day 1, shoulders and bis day 2...whatever
    Scroll up, it should be there...

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    I've heard that behind-the-neck presses invite injury to the shoulders.
    I think practically all shoulder excercises put pressure on the rotator cuff and could 'invite injury' but i would think if you kept good form you would be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancom41
    I think practically all shoulder excercises put pressure on the rotator cuff and could 'invite injury' but i would think if you kept good form you would be fine.
    i agree, i dont see a problem in behind the neck...

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    *shrug* It's just what I have been told. It has something to do with the awkward rotation of your shoulders...could damage the rotator cuffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatrb38
    I try to visualize that my girlfriend is under the weight and I have to push the weight up to save her. Of course it doesn't work and I just laugh as I think about the weight slowly crushing her bones. Then I remember it's me under the weight and give 200% effort to push it back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancom41
    I think practically all shoulder excercises put pressure on the rotator cuff and could 'invite injury' but i would think if you kept good form you would be fine.

    The problem with behind the neck anything is be bad position it puts your shoulders in. Having to rotate your arms back to hold the bar can put undue stress on the RC. There's no REAL advantage to doing behind the neck over stand pressing movements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max-Mex
    The problem with behind the neck anything is be bad position it puts your shoulders in. Having to rotate your arms back to hold the bar can put undue stress on the RC. There's no REAL advantage to doing behind the neck over stand pressing movements.
    yep.

    also, dude, why arent you doing DLs for your back?
    they'll give you explosive strength like WHOA
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    Quote Originally Posted by IZich
    yep.

    also, dude, why arent you doing DLs for your back?
    they'll give you explosive strength like WHOA
    Haven't fit it into my routine...I'm sure they will be fitted in ther pretty quick after I found my online trainer to tell me how to do them.

    Check it out...Real good website, click on exercises on the left, has videos to show you the right form...

    http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...l%3Den%26lr%3D
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    Quote Originally Posted by IZich
    yep.

    also, dude, why arent you doing DLs for your back?
    they'll give you explosive strength like WHOA
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Dead Lifts target you hips,glutes. etc...not back? or do they work the stabilizers in the back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike99
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Dead Lifts target you hips,glutes. etc...not back? or do they work the stabilizers in the back?
    The quads, glutes, and calves are assisting muscles during the Deadlift, with the back working as stabilizer muscles. But the primary target is the lower back, with essentially the whole body working to help during Deadlifts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatrb38
    I try to visualize that my girlfriend is under the weight and I have to push the weight up to save her. Of course it doesn't work and I just laugh as I think about the weight slowly crushing her bones. Then I remember it's me under the weight and give 200% effort to push it back up.

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    WHen you guys are doing hammer curls do you make circles with the dumbell or just keep it horizontal ? If you guys get the picture..

    I think your suppose to start with dumbells with palms facing your sides, then you would twirl the dumbells inwards ? Thats how I do it anyways. my friend just keeps the dumbell stationary, whereas I make a circular wrist movement. Damn I can't explain.

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