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Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    training to jump higher

    What do you guys recommend when trying to jump higher. What type of plyometrics and so on. thanks
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    I haven't done much plyometric. But you should do a search, either on here or google.com.

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    well i'am educated on plyometric workouts. I am more looking at personal experiences. What has been the best for each person.
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    i dont know much about plyometrics, but to jump higher, u need a strong lower back.

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    Do Explosive sets of squats&legpresses. You can also try jumps onto something at a higher elevation(i.e an old desk), when you land,go down deep and explode up again - rinse - repeat.

    I am no sort of expert on this, however last Feb or march I wanted as a goal of sorts to be able to sump on to jump onto a platform at around 2" below chest height from a standstill. Got damn close while still weighing ~235 hehe(my shoes hit the table , missed by like3-4" but I was happy as I couldnt really jump for s*** prior. )
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    Quads, Calves and Glutes are hella key. =^D
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    plyos are very hard on the knees and i know this from experience. the weight you put on your knees while doing plyometric movements such as box jumping can put 7 times more stress on your knees and ankles than your bodyweight alone. that number isnt exact its just really what ive learned from talking to some of my trainers, who dont really advocate plyometrics. some good excercises for plyos though are box jumping, speed squatting, fire outs with bands, doing stretch band running exercises with a wokout partner

    to jump higher i would try doing some speed squats which are a plyometric excercise. they involve stretch bands. i personally love stretch bands. they are a great tool for speed/jumping/flexibility.

    to be able to jump higher and run faster you need to be flexible. stretch bands are great for flexibility. if you are interested i can relate a ton of stretch band excercises and stretches to you.

    try one legged squats and also do alot of calf raises.

    i made a goal for myself last year to be able to dunk...so i began doing heavy leg workouts while working out with my trainer. i was able to dunk a girls ball since i couldnt palm a guys ball, then last month i injured my knee. so now im back on the same track again to be able to dunk
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpoppapump979
    plyos are very hard on the knees and i know this from experience. the weight you put on your knees while doing plyometric movements such as box jumping can put 7 times more stress on your knees and ankles than your bodyweight alone. that number isnt exact its just really what ive learned from talking to some of my trainers, who dont really advocate plyometrics. some good excercises for plyos though are box jumping, speed squatting, fire outs with bands, doing stretch band running exercises with a wokout partner

    to jump higher i would try doing some speed squats which are a plyometric excercise. they involve stretch bands. i personally love stretch bands. they are a great tool for speed/jumping/flexibility.

    to be able to jump higher and run faster you need to be flexible. stretch bands are great for flexibility. if you are interested i can relate a ton of stretch band excercises and stretches to you.

    try one legged squats and also do alot of calf raises.

    i made a goal for myself last year to be able to dunk...so i began doing heavy leg workouts while working out with my trainer. i was able to dunk a girls ball since i couldnt palm a guys ball, then last month i injured my knee. so now im back on the same track again to be able to dunk

    I like the idea of bands. I agree a lot of typical old school plyometric training is rough on the knees and joints. That's what i'am trying to avoid. Also looking into training clients with bands. May be using bands soon.

    I would definetly be interested in seeing some band exercises that you have used.

    I too have a goal of dunking a basketball this year. lol.. Last year I didn't dab into plyometrics too much but I noticed the combination working legs, running alot and doing 1 legged squats improved my jumping ability a lot. I plan on running again soon when i'am gonna cut. Bulking right now and weighing 202 doesn't help either I guess. I can touch the rim now but can't get over it. I'am 5' 11" . I just need a couple more inches of lift
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    Way I got my vertical from 23 inches to 34 was just jumping a lot lol, I see a fence, and I try to clear it... While being out of shape I was able to dunk, people were baffled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waynis
    I like the idea of bands. I agree a lot of typical old school plyometric training is rough on the knees and joints. That's what i'am trying to avoid. Also looking into training clients with bands. May be using bands soon.

    I would definetly be interested in seeing some band exercises that you have used.

    I too have a goal of dunking a basketball this year. lol.. Last year I didn't dab into plyometrics too much but I noticed the combination working legs, running alot and doing 1 legged squats improved my jumping ability a lot. I plan on running again soon when i'am gonna cut. Bulking right now and weighing 202 doesn't help either I guess. I can touch the rim now but can't get over it. I'am 5' 11" . I just need a couple more inches of lift
    bands are great. there are a ton of stretches that are awesome.
    laying on your back wrap band twice around right foot. grab band behind head with left hand. move leg sideways to stretch. do this same movement while holding with the right hand. reverse for the other leg

    flat on back, band around either foot, leg vertical, knee almost locked. pull band try to touch knee to chin, go lower on each rep. go to 10.

    flat on chest, band around foot, knee bent, both hands on band behind head. pull leg off the floor for 10 reps.

    the next series involve the platform.

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    lay longways on your platform with 2 bands of the same strength tied to the same end. tie a band around each foot, with feet opposite of the side where the bands are tied.

    there are 2 movements for this position.
    first, both feet six inches off the ground. spread legs then bring them back together slowly. should feel a good stretch in the groin if performed correctly

    the second movement is to raise the leg while straight, up and down in a slow controlled motion. the band will be pulling the leg up, so the downward motion is the concentric

    Speed Squats.

    using the platform, 2 same strength bands, (green or blue i would recommend) one on each side bar. place one over each shoulder while in front of something about waist high to place your hands. using a squat motion go up and down for 20 reps as fast as possible while keeping good form. these are great for endurance

    i have a ton of these workouts so if you need more just ask.
    heres a site to buy some good bands. www.jumpstretch.com
    heres a guy doing a spped squat motion http://www.jumpstretch.com/SpeedVerticalJump.htm (bottom pic)
    hes also using the black platform.
    the part of the site with the platforms is down. i think im just gonna have one of the kids from my old HS to steal one for me during football workouts
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    I'm willing to bet olympic lifts would help you jump higher. I also read that olympic lifters are some of the fastest sprinters off the line.

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    one the subject of bands, up here by my school they have sessions you can do kindda like a spinning class or whatever, but its all band exercises one session of this class was probley the hardest workout i have ever done. i do know the owner so he kindda made it more advanced then what the normal people do but anyways check and see if they off one of these classes near you
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    plyometrics are awsome, i would tell you what i do taht work well for me but i dont know what the names are just how to do them lol if i get time later ill describe a few to you haha
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    Deadlifts worked for me.
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    Go to theverticalproject.com if u really want to increase your vert!

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    a few of the basketballers at school wear those ankleweights around.. but im not sure if they actually do anything or not

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    thanks for the info big poppa.
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    Ive heard of people over 300 lbs being able to dunk simply by having strong squats and deadlifts.

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    Something tells me these people you heard of were probably tall. (Shaq 7'1 not some 5'6 white guy)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ares
    Something tells me these people you heard of were probably tall. (Shaq 7'1 not some 5'6 white guy)

    Actually not, many of the people were olympic lifters and subsequently very short, I recall of 2 males specifically that were both over 270, and one over 300, and both of them were under 5'8''

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    Right now, I can just barely touch the bottom of the backboard (about 5 inches under rim). Do you think if I train hard I'll be able to touch the rim, or better yet even be able to dunk (I know it would be a long ways away, but I'm willing to work for it)? I've never had a genetically awesome vertical jump, but I think it's decent. Btw, I'm 5'6" so I'm kinda short =/. One more thing, I'm sort of on a clean bulk right now, so do you think that bulking and training to increase vertical jump at the same time wouldn't work?

    I know it's probably not possible, but I wanna try anyway.
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    visit www.netfit.co.uk they have a variety of plyometric excercises which maybe helpful..

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    Quote Originally Posted by waynis
    What do you guys recommend when trying to jump higher. What type of plyometrics and so on. thanks
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    It depends on what your doing, trying to jump from a standstill you would bend down therefor squats would help a lot. Or if your trying to reach something like a basketball hoop then id say mostly calves because you would run up and jump pushing off with your toes.

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