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    Last Rites

    It looks like the Pope is about to pass on.
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    err... you mean Last Rites????
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    Yeah my roommate told me that. At least he's willing to accept death. Shows strength.

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    Yep, he'll likely be gone within a couple of days.

    I'm curious to see the entire thing afterwards - the black/white smoke stuff and all those goodies.
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    they are not the last rites any more

    It is called the annointing of the sick and is given to anyone with a health problem who wants the spiritual strength that it offers

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    Has he been a good pope? Or is the sheep mentality so strong that nobody has questioned his work as pope.
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    I vote sheep mentality (but I'm an outsider).
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    I'm Jewish, but I think he was a good Pope. He stuck
    by his guns and refused to "relax" religious rules, when
    that would have been easy to do.

    And, now long ago, remember the work he did and
    words in spoke in support of eastern European countries
    trying to break away from Russia.

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    His influence on the Baltics was astounding. He gave Poles the resolve they needed, and Lithuanians, ardently Catholic also, found a lot of strength in this Pope (I witnessed it personally).

    He did a lot of good. He also refused to budge despite all common sense on social and health issues, and that is unforgivable, imo. Tradition and religion are not carved in stone- both have a degree of fluidity and built in mechanisms for interpretations and growth which are readily apparent throughout history. Sticking to one's guns is a double edged sword- it shows confidence, determination, faith, but it also shows contempt for inevitable social changes and awareness, and a stubborness in addressing said changes. In the case of social and health issues humans had dealt with during his papacy his stubbornness and lack of proactive thinking has meant death for millions. Sticking to one's guns isn't aways a good thing.
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    He deserves credit for what he did to pull Eastern Europe through the cold war and out from behind the Iron Curtain. But for the rest, he's the symbolization of many things that I ardently disagree with. The way he stood for the things he stood for was admirable, even if I don't think the things he stood for were.

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    twilomike - you summed up my thoughts exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwiloMike
    In the case of social and health issues humans had dealt with during his papacy his stubbornness and lack of proactive thinking has meant death for millions. Sticking to one's guns isn't aways a good thing.
    Wait. Which millions?

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    Wait. Which millions?
    Africans, as well as many others, who had died or are dying of AIDS, for example. The Pope's refusal to back common sense contraception education and distribution is what I was thinking about. The problem isn't confined to Africa, obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwiloMike
    The Pope's refusal to back common sense contraception education and distribution is what I was thinking about.


    So because the Pope doesn't back contraceptive eductation and distribution, he's responsible for the deaths of millions of AIDS. That's quite a leap of logic....

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    I wish the Pope a speedy journey to the next life, where he can explain to a loving God why he called an entire group of people "evil", whose only 'sin' is loving differently.

    He is a hateful hypocrite who alleges to be the vicar of Christ, the representative of One who has unconditional love for all people. And this person who is supposed to be Christ's representative on Earth can say a whole group of people are evil?

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    So because the Pope doesn't back contraceptive eductation and distribution, he's responsible for the deaths of millions of AIDS. That's quite a leap of logic....
    Considering that he singlehandedly had the power to allow and encourage education and availability of contraception (Catholic missions are everywhere in the developing world and are highly influential) he bears a lot of responsibility for keeping people undereducated, perpetuating the stigma of using contraception, and means for protection practically unavailable.
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    I believe I heard that this was the third time that he received the "last rites" so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galileo
    I believe I heard that this was the third time that he received the "last rites" so far.
    They're, more technically speaking, not death rites, they are "very sick and possibly going to die" rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwiloMike
    Considering that he singlehandedly had the power to allow and encourage education and availability of contraception (Catholic missions are everywhere in the developing world and are highly influential) he bears a lot of responsibility for keeping people undereducated, perpetuating the stigma of using contraception, and means for protection practically unavailable.


    And the Catholic missions are there to help people, voluntarily. If you want to blame Catholic missions for the AIDS related deaths in 3rd world contries because of inaction, then you are the blame for people dying in Rwanda due to your inaction, and I'm to blame for deaths in Sudan because I didn't do anything about it.

    If the Pope had been running around Africa injecting people with HIV, then I would say yes, he is responsible for the deaths of AIDS infected peoples of 3rd world countries.

    But people have HIV (in most cases) because they had sex with someone else who had the virus. Not because the Pope didn't give them a condom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
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    I think that's a rather simplified look at things shooter.


    if the church says using condoms are a sin that will land you in hell, if you see yourself as a religious person - you are not going to transgress agains the church to protect yourself from aids.
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    Supporters of the Pope claim he is the last word on matters of faith and life and sexuality and should be listened to and respected. Yet he is not responsible when he IS listened to and his pronouncements are followed if it's not convenient. You cannot have it both ways, though it seems to be a Catholic trait to want one's cake and eat it too.

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    The pope gave me a condom, that's the only reason why I don't have AIDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tryska
    if the church says using condoms are a sin that will land you in hell, if you see yourself as a religious person - you are not going to transgress agains the church to protect yourself from aids.
    It's been a while since I've been to catholic church, but I'm pretty sure they also don't condone premarital sex. So are you saying a religous person would defy the church and have sex outside of marriage, but not use a condom because the pope said not to?

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