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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Count protein from vegetables, rice, etc. ?

    I know this question was asked before, but I was just wondering if everyone counts incomplete proteins (rice, vegetables, etc) in their daily protein count. For example, if I have rice, chicken and vegetables for dinner, that's like 10g of protein from the rice and vegetables......

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    I dont, better to get more than less.
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    If two foods with incomplete amino acid profiles are combined in one meal, then they can be useful.
    You could count it in that case.
    I don't bother.

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    I would recommend making sure you get AT LEASET 1g/ib of protein from solid protein sources, like meat, whey etc. Then the rest can be whatever complete/incomplete to reach your goal. The main thing is that you get the cals.

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    Count it

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalls
    I dont, better to get more than less.
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    I count it
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

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    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    I dont, better to get more than less.
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    I count it.

    however even though veg protien quality is low. I doubt most people on here are getting more than 10grams of protein from fruit and veg a day.
    so when you aiming for eg 200 grams. wether you include that 10 grams of protien from veg, its not going to make that much difference
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    don't count em cause usually they aren't complete protein sources.
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    i use software to keep track of my calories and it counts it in so i do :P

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    Its not going to make much difference.

    You should count it as it equates to your overall calorie count, which is probably more important than the ratio itself.

    Having said that - as the guys say its going to be pretty low and won't make too much difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Clough
    You should count it as it equates to your overall calorie count, which is probably more important than the ratio itself.
    Oh, you should definitely count the calories from it. I would just aim to be getting your 1g/lb bodyweight (or whatever the individual might be aiming for) from quality sources.

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    Count Protein from Muscle building food.

    Whey,Eggs,Casein,Fish,Beef,Chicken thats about it

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    but if you eat enough vegies you can build muscle from it. it all helps.
    otherwise vegans would die
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by body
    but if you eat enough vegies you can build muscle from it. it all helps.
    otherwise vegans would die
    In term of muscle building...nah

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMatt
    In term of muscle building...nah
    Why not?

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    Actually, regarding so-called 'incomplete' proteins, with a few exceptions (gelatin) there is no such thing. Protein from any food source has all the essential amino acids, just not aways in levels as high as say, meat.

    Actually, even calling certain AAs essential and non-essential is outdated, all amino acids are essential for life. The modern terms are dispensible and indispensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegekid
    I know this question was asked before, but I was just wondering if everyone counts incomplete proteins (rice, vegetables, etc) in their daily protein count. For example, if I have rice, chicken and vegetables for dinner, that's like 10g of protein from the rice and vegetables......
    Count it. The body doesn't use 'protein', it uses amino acids to make proteins it needs. It will mix and match and recycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMatt
    In term of muscle building...nah

    can't vegans build muscle?
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGimp
    Why not?
    :withstupi please explain why?
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    By all means, COUNT IT! BUT, just make sure you complete the proteins, for they do lack amino acids and make a percentage of the protein in them un-usable (exception: soybeans. Soybeans are a complete protein.) Heres a guide how to mix and match your grains, dairy, nuts/seeds and legumes (beans) to make them complete proteins: grains and dairy complete eachother ( pastas and cheeses, a sandwich w/ cheese in it, milk in cereal ect) grains and legumes complete eachother (beans and rice, beans in tortilla ect) legumes and dairy complete eachother (beans and cheese, cottage cheese and beans ect) dairy and nuts and seeds complete eachother (lowfat yogurt w/ mixed nuts, peanut butter on bread) and nuts and seeds and beans complete eachother. So, every time you have one, make sure you have another with it so you can complete it and make it usable. Even just a tiny portion will complete a heaping portion, so dont be afraid to go skimpy on one item if you are concernd about adding too much cals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzBboy
    By all means, COUNT IT! BUT, just make sure you complete the proteins, for they do lack amino acids and make a percentage of the protein in them un-usable (exception: soybeans. Soybeans are a complete protein.) Heres a guide how to mix and match your grains, dairy, nuts/seeds and legumes (beans) to make them complete proteins: grains and dairy complete eachother ( pastas and cheeses, a sandwich w/ cheese in it, milk in cereal ect) grains and legumes complete eachother (beans and rice, beans in tortilla ect) legumes and dairy complete eachother (beans and cheese, cottage cheese and beans ect) dairy and nuts and seeds complete eachother (lowfat yogurt w/ mixed nuts, peanut butter on bread) and nuts and seeds and beans complete eachother. So, every time you have one, make sure you have another with it so you can complete it and make it usable. Even just a tiny portion will complete a heaping portion, so dont be afraid to go skimpy on one item if you are concernd about adding too much cals.
    I guess you didn't read my post.

    "In the past, dietary proteins were classified as complete, meaning that all indispensable AAs were present ; or incomplete, meaning that one or more of the indispensable AAs was absent. However, with few exceptions (e.g. gelatin) every dietary protein contains all of the AAs in varying amounts. This means that the concept of 'complete' and 'incomplete' proteins is incorrect."

    http://www.karlloren.com/diet/p48.htm

    Not trying to be an ass, but people should be informed on the truth. The concept of complete and incomplete proteins is 20 years old.
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    VT,

    While you're right that proteins are not incomplete, only limited, if I'm not mistaken amino acids are only stored in the amino acid pool for about 4 hours and therefore it may be advisable to take combination into account, depending on the frequency and content of meals.

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