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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    good alternative to shoulder press

    how are Front Raises and Upright Rows???
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    Why can't you do shoulder press or military? I don't think anything works my delts like those presses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABDomega
    Why can't you do shoulder press or military? I don't think anything works my delts like those presses.
    im recovering from a Herniated disk in my neck...my PT told me to do DB shoulder press with my elbows in/(or like pointing forward). And I forgot to ask him this question so I thought id just make a post.
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    I like lateral raises, upright rows, and a version of the front raise where you put the bench on a incline position, like you would for doing incline bench press. You need a barbell, I perfer the cap barbells that weigh 20lbs-easier to work with. Lay down like you would for a bench press and hold the barbell with X amount of weight with arms extended(elbows slightly bent) above your lower abs, and raise upright until it's over your head, then back down but don't rest it on your stomach, keep constant tension on the front delts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HahnB
    I like lateral raises, upright rows, and a version of the front raise where you put the bench on a incline position, like you would for doing incline bench press. You need a barbell, I perfer the cap barbells that weigh 20lbs-easier to work with. Lay down like you would for a bench press and hold the barbell with X amount of weight with arms extended(elbows slightly bent) above your lower abs, and raise upright until it's over your head, then back down but don't rest it on your stomach, keep constant tension on the front delts.
    is that pretty much the same as db lat raises? That sounds pretty good.

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    Hahnb, I do those too. I like that much better than db front raises.

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    Don't do upright rows. They are a cause of shoulder injury when done incorrectly. Do front DB raises instead to avoid shoulder AC joint injuries.
    Last edited by Chris Tucker; 04-25-2005 at 07:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Tucker
    Don't do upright rows. They are a cause of shoulder injury when done incorrectly. Do front DB raises instead to avoid shoulder AC joint injuries.
    There would be no reason to substitute front raises for upright rows. The anterior delt has minimal involvement in an upright row relative to the medial and posterior while it is used almost exclusively in the front raise.

    A viable substitution would be a face pull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borris
    There would be no reason to substitue front raises for upright rows. The anterior delt has minimal involvement in an upright row relative to the medial and posterior while it is used almost exclusively in the front raise.
    Read this then we'll discuss the material:
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/betteru26.htm

    This exercises can cause you to snap a tendon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Tucker
    Read this then we'll discuss the material:
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/betteru26.htm

    This exercises can cause you to snap a tendon.
    Read what I said. I didn't advocate the upright row, I said your exercise subsitution was inaccurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borris
    Read what I said. I didn't advocate the upright row, I said your exercise subsitution was inaccurate.
    He asked about front raises and upright rows. I informed him that the only valid selection. given the choices, is the front raise movements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Tucker
    Don't do upright rows. They are a cause of shoulder injury when done incorrectly.
    They are a cause of shoulder injury when done CORRECTLY, which is why they are one of the worst exercises possible, in my book.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Tucker
    Do front DB raises instead to avoid shoulder AC joint injuries.
    However, Borris is correct in that the anterior delt is not the primary mover for upright rows. Lateral delt raises or a face pull are the correct substitutions.

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