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Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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Thread: Preacher Curls

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    Preacher Curls

    With preacher curls should I use a wide grip or a short grip to bulk up my biceps?

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    any grip that is comfortable.

    P.s. Preachers = arce.

    P.p.s squats = acer.
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    ditto, Chicken.
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    arce??? acer??? What the heck.....what is that british slang?

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    Agreed with The_Chicken_Daddy I usually go with something like 7-8 inches apart maybe. Which is the grip that I can handle the most weight with also.


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    Just as a second opinion.

    I HATE preacher curls.

    They are not any better than any other curl, and IMHO, the loss of resistance in the top third of the movement isn't doing anyone any good.

    If you want big arms, you gotta get big.
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    Paul Stagg-
    Yeah that's definitely something to think about. I have never thought about that before bro. The entire last part of the movement really doesnt put too much stress on the bis at all.

    I always like preachers because your biceps were locked and you couldnt cheat at all on the movement.


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    Originally posted by MonStar1023
    I always like preachers because your biceps were locked and you couldnt cheat at all on the movement.
    Well then try this.....

    Using a BB or EZ curly bar.....do some standing curls, and if you cant help using your back to cheat = lean against a wall, this will keep you from cheating....try it.
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    As far as the grip goes...change from set to set or workout to workout. Eventually you will find which grip(s) suits you.

    To make preachers much more effective, do them off of the side of the bench that goes straight down. With this, your upper arm will make a 90 degree angle with the floor. You will feel greater tension in the bi's with this movement, especially in the peak contraction. Do them strictly and your biceps will thank you.

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    Ace suggestion to do them perpendicular to the floor.

    Solves the resistance issue.
    Squats work better than supplements.
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    Thank you Paul.

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    good stuff. I stole this pic from myodynamics from the telekinetics article. It shows how to increase the resistance for the whole ROM for certain exercises.

    It shows for preachers and for side lats, although i think getting into the positions he states may be quite complicated and maybe uncomfortable.


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    Those would be spider curls right Gopro and Paul?


    Those are ace for really hitting the biceps hard through the full ROM.
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    Yes...very similar to a spider curl...

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    I could be wrong, but I always pictured spider curls as essentially lying face first on an incline bench and curling.

    I thin there was an apparatus popular some time ago that got you into that position.

    To be honest, I limit my direct bicep work to:

    Barbell curls
    EZ bar curls
    Incline curls
    DB curls
    Hammer curls

    For my purposes (get big and strong, look good nekkid, bench, squat, and deadlift), there is no reason to get any more complicated than that.

    I've said it before... my arms got big as I got big. The shape of your biceps is determined by insertion points that don't change, so I don't see any reason for me, or for 95% of lifters for that matter, to worry about which curl to do. A curl is a curl. We can debate that 'till the cows come home, but no one yet has presented me with any compelling reason to change my mind. I've got far more important things to worry about than curls.

    As a general rule, I don't do stuff where things are completely isolated (like a preacher curl), as I'm looking for more efficiency, and prefer to use stabilizers to keep my form.

    Maybe when I hit 240 at 8-10% that will change.
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    please stop editing my posts.
    Last edited by Reinier; 12-07-2001 at 02:00 PM.

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    I'm thinking about doing MORE direct arm work. I'm pretty happy with my legs, back , chest, etc. I really dont' do much direct work for arms (same school of thought as Paul). But I may change that soon..
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    what the HuN is up with people editing my posts?
    was you paulie wasn`t it?
    i was right about the dumb curl with elbow resting against bench having the same effect as the concentration curl wasn`t i?

    then why do yall think this one is kool while you take the piss out of concentrations all the time?

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    Yes, you are right..the curls are the same, but calling people stupid isn't the best way to get your point across.

    Where did I say doing preacher curls is a good idea?
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    you didn`t and i didn`t say you did.
    you were talking about resting your elbow against a normal bench, or a wall your leaning to to prevent cheating.
    so i say this has pretty much the same effect as concentrations.

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    There are specific benches made for spider curls. They usually have a long pad that you can rest your entire upper arm against, and even part of your forearm. I prefer doing them off the flat end of a preacher bench as I feel I can better isolate my biceps this way. This is perhaps my favorite biceps exercise. I almost never do regular barbell curls anymore.

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    Yeah spider curls are a great exercise... even though you cant handle half the weight you normally can. It least thats true with me... spider curls on an incline bench with a close-grip on the ez-curl bar always work well for me.

    Standard barbell currls with my back up against a wall have always worked well for SLAMMING my biceps.


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    I'm with Stagg on this one. I just curl, I don't get fancy. I keep strict form with as much weight as I can. I admit lately I've been doing one arm dumbell preacher curls on a 90 degree bench, just to switch things up a little. Aside from EZ bar curls, I do the same as he does.
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