Genetics account for things that hinder your ability to look/lift better than the next guy. Fat placement, metabolism, partitioning, muscle shape, innate strength, etc. I'm sure everyone here can point out one guy they knew in school who did very little and always looked ripped and big. I bet you can also point out the guy who was in the gym everyday and constantly ate, but couldn't seem to break 160lbs.
If you think that you can look like a bodybuilder such as those in competition for Mr. Universe, given the proper drugs, then I'd say you have a 99.9% chance of being an idiot. Anyone can look good and way better than they do when they start, but looking like Chase, for example, isn't something that everyone could accomplish in only a few years.
Last edited by galileo; 06-25-2005 at 08:03 AM.
are you accusing me of saying any of that galileo?
note, i said a weakling COULD do it but that even a naturally big guy might not notice much difference. i never said that if you juice youll become a legendary bb'er, i said that someone pre-juice and post-juice can be very unpredictable.
Last edited by jack_of_all; 06-25-2005 at 08:39 AM.
I don't think genetics are overplayed. But I do think that anyone can look reasonably good with lots of hard work.
Originally Posted by jack_of_all
Was I quoting or addressing you?
Last edited by galileo; 06-25-2005 at 11:06 AM.
That's probably not the sole reason, unless you both have reached your maximum potential. We don't all start at the same spot. Some people can start off lifting a decent weight, while others need to work their way up to that weight.Originally Posted by KevinStarke
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I highly disagree with this. Puberty will effect most people in much the same way that steroids do. If during and after puberty you put on very very little muscle and strength and ended up looking like a taller version of yourself (which is most ectomorphs) then chances are you will never be a monster regardless of drugs used. You have to have the base to support a certain type of physique, huge shoulders arent going to be built on a beanpole (where talking pro-caliber shoulders). Out of the many many people who juice, the biggest guys usually become the monsters while the scrawny guys become the "built" guys. There are also other reasons for this such as the fact that many scrawny people just dont eat or train right, thus their results will always suck.Originally Posted by jack_of_all
I also disagree that training like chase could get someone less results than training differently (for 99% of the population anyway). I've never met anyone who can't grow off low volume high intensity workouts that focus on compound movements and progression, while taking in more calories than they burn. That has pretty much always been chases routine. Correct principles are correct regardless of who is using them.
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yes, they are still CORRECT principles, but unlike in math, there are no hard answers here. chases body might be able to stand more training or not as much training as the next guy. as far as the puberty argument you make, if the person isnt at one extreme (already huge or really tiny) after they come out of puberty, that DOESNT mean that they will respond the same to steroids. and no, puberty isnt quite like steroids, the natural increase in T is SIMILAR, but there are many steroids out there with slightly different compounds and different people respond differently to different ones, and even peoples natural hormones could vary. these differences are often small, but they can amount to a good bit. and yes, bigger people USUALLY end up bigger, but there are always exceptions. some people also exibit amazing growth when they take up lifting even though they were scrawny before, really, genetics play a 100% role in the end, but different genetics make different things optimum.
I fully agree, but it's not always the case. I saw a picture of Teufy before he started lifting, and though the picture wasn't fully clear he looked damn scrawny in it. Shoulders didn't look wide, looked tall and skinny basically. But now look at him, the pro's are telling him he looks good!Originally Posted by smalls
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I think anyone can build a decent amount of muscle if they do everything right.Originally Posted by Gyno Rhino
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I know what you mean. He may be like my younger brother. My bro is 6'2, 135. He started lifting and eating, and got to 158 @ about 5% in 3 months! Then, he went off to college, stopped lifting,and he's right back to 135 again after about 3-4 months. He's tall and skinny from my dad's side, but I think he may have some of my mom's side genetics, which I carry exclusively. That's the only way I can figure it. He was looking downright big, and now he looks like this again..Originally Posted by Canadian Crippler
actually, we were messing with the camera on new years...so he went from 158 to 135 from sept to jan...he clipped at 5% the other day..just for the hell of it...
Sure.Originally Posted by Nick Hatfield
But as said, genetics are the limiting factor.
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Genetics are the most overplayed excuse.
Genetics play a huge role in lifting, you can take all the supps you want but if your genetics arent up to play you wont get to pro size. while some guy take few supps and gain like crazy, thats genetics.
there are alot of people with crappy work ethic that dont understand that it takes alot of hard work to get the most out of our physique's and they use genetics as an excuse
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but only the limiting factor if proportion, and the "adonnis" that we've all come to accept as the perfect human form are your goals...
we should just be happy with that we've got...
I'm a fatass, and I woudlnt swap genetics with anyone. If someone doesn't have olympia genetics, then they were meant to be something else, for a career at least.
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Compared to me. Compared to the average individual. Having good bone and muscle structure is important when competing or even modeling. People striving for that perfect physique might never attain it because the shape of their muscles or bone structure will always limit them.
Originally Posted by Nick Hatfield
It's not so much bulding muscle, because I believe with enough hard work and dedication, it can be done. However, what the final results look like is where your genentics come into play. A good example is biceps peaks. If you weren't born with naturally high biceps peaks, no amount of juice, reps, or whatever is going to give you that peak. You can make the biceps bigger, but that's about it.