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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    genetics are overplayed....

    all i seem to hear a lot of is "my genetics suck blah blah blah". Well, my opinion is that genetics are overrated. Only on the pro level where everyone is religious with EVERY part of their training/diet will genetics factor in. Take chase for example on this forum, everyone talks about how great his genetics are. However, nobody seems to mention how he busts his ass in the gym and follows a religious diet.


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    I think it's assumed that he busts his ass in the gym and has a great diet. That aside, he has great genetics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shao-LiN
    I think it's assumed that he busts his ass in the gym and has a great diet. That aside, he has great genetics.
    this is where I disagree. No disrespect to Chase, but saying someone has "great" genetics is a relative term. He has great genetics compared to who? Not many people follow the regiment that he does, so how can we compare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    this is where I disagree. No disrespect to Chase, but saying someone has "great" genetics is a relative term. He has great genetics compared to who? Not many people follow the regiment that he does, so how can we compare?

    Compared to me. Compared to the average individual. Having good bone and muscle structure is important when competing or even modeling. People striving for that perfect physique might never attain it because the shape of their muscles or bone structure will always limit them.
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    I think genetics is more about looking like the desired bodybuilder's shape, when having loads of LBM. Some people are capable of that, and some aren't. I'm sure there are plenty of people on WBB (I do not claim to be one of them..lol) who put in must as much time as Chase, yet don't look nearly as good. Genetics, for what it is in the bodybuilding world, is still a matter of opinion. It's like saying that a big-chested girl,with a small waist and long legs is the most desireable. For a certain group of people, it is..for others, it isn't. In bodybuilding, "genetics" is the big chested girl. It's the most desireable shape, and some are incapable of attaining it, no matter how much they lift, eat,and inject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrelwooddowd
    I'm sure there are plenty of people on WBB (I do not claim to be one of them..lol) who put in must as much time as Chase.
    I highly doubt that

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    I highly doubt that
    I don't...

    There are people all over the world that are putting in just as much effort, but they aren't going to ever look as good as him. They do not have the shape that is desired in bodybuilding..they have tiny calves that won't respond, they have crappy shoulders, etc. etc. etc. That's just the way it is. Every human being is shaped differently, and probably differently enough that it could be like a fingerprint at some level, but some are in the same category of shape that has been defined as the perfect human form. No amount of lifting and eating will ever get them there, but they can still look fantastic and bang tons of chicks as a result of looking the way they do. They just won't win Olympia..
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    I highly doubt that
    Why? Your genetics will determine your physical appearance, your physical limits, etc. etc. Chase puts in a lot of good work at the gym and on his diet. He is a very knowledgeable person. But, he is in amazing physical shape, and also was before he started anabolics. My genetic limits are different from his, as are yours, and everyone else. Saying that EVERYONE who puts in as much work as Chase does on his diet and lifestyle will achieve what he has achieved is underestimating the role genetics play.

    Genetics aren't overrated, but people tend to blame their downfalls in the gym on their genetics when they should really look at their daily routines. If anything, you can say that genetics as an excuse is overused, but to explain someone's physical prowess, it's not too far off.

    It's like saying that anyone can train to be a great olympic runner if they put in the time and hard work. Training does play a big part in how great you can be, but your genetics will determine the limits your training can take you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shao-LiN

    Genetics aren't overrated, but people tend to blame their downfalls in the gym on their genetics when they should really look at their daily routines. If anything, you can say that genetics as an excuse is overused, but to explain someone's physical prowess, it's not too far off.

    It's like saying that anyone can train to be a great olympic runner if they put in the time and hard work. Training does play a big part in how great you can be, but your genetics will determine the limits your training can take you.

    This is pretty much how I feel on the topic. It's amazing how much someone can change their physique regardless of crappy genetics, but there will always be limits based on genetics. And HOW you actually look is very much goverened by genetics.
    But people blaiming their genetics is very excessive. If people actually ate and trained correctly and consistently they would surprise themselves.
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    Genetics are the end-all be-all.

    You can train right, eat right, do everything right - but the limiting factor will ALWAYS be your genetics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyno Rhino
    Genetics are the end-all be-all.

    You can train right, eat right, do everything right - but the limiting factor will ALWAYS be your genetics.
    I think anyone can build a decent amount of muscle if they do everything right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Hatfield
    I think anyone can build a decent amount of muscle if they do everything right.
    Sure.

    But as said, genetics are the limiting factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Hatfield
    I think anyone can build a decent amount of muscle if they do everything right.

    It's not so much bulding muscle, because I believe with enough hard work and dedication, it can be done. However, what the final results look like is where your genentics come into play. A good example is biceps peaks. If you weren't born with naturally high biceps peaks, no amount of juice, reps, or whatever is going to give you that peak. You can make the biceps bigger, but that's about it.
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    I agree genetics do play a big role, I've seen people who busted there ass in the gym, just not getting results, and they seem like they know a couple things about diet. For me I have great genetics, just not as a body builder, I have good genetics to become a wide receiver in football, or a track athlete, decent size shoulders, long legs, and a naturally relatively low bf.
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    genetiks pwn j00
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    Genetics play the biggest role in this game. There was a point where I was spot on dedicated; diet was perfect everday, never missed sessions... and this went on for months and months. But I never made the gains that some people on this forum do with less dedication and less effort than I had put in. I made my most gains during this period; MY most gains. I'll never make the gains certain individuals on this forum make, and I'll never get to their size and strength. It sucks, but what can we do!
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    Yes, this was in the wrong thread...dunno how that happened.

    I r dumbass.
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    LMAO!!!!

    wrong thread, grasshoppa!!
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    genetics + diet + supplements + dedication + regiment = your results
    I wont even bother bringing up juice and its impact...
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    Genetics rule! That said most people can make dramatic changes.
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    They are a limiting factor, but the thing is any beginner regardless of what his genetics are(except for diseases, etc.) can put on at least 25-40lbs of lean mass naturally with proper nutrition, training, and recovery. So until you've done that, don't bitch about genetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xMeat_Headx
    They are a limiting factor, but the thing is any beginner regardless of what his genetics are(except for diseases, etc.) can put on at least 25-40lbs of lean mass naturally with proper nutrition, training, and recovery. So until you've done that, don't bitch about genetics.
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    I don't think genetics are overplayed. But I do think that anyone can look reasonably good with lots of hard work.

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