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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Training Secrets by Lyle Mcdonald - June 5th 2005

    If you want to be told some of the secrets to training with no punches pulled read on... You had better be thick skinned though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
    2. Training a body part less than 2X/week will not give you optimal gains. An upper/lower split done Mon/Tue/Thu/Fri is close to optimal for most. Full body twice a week can work very well. Once every 5th day is the least frequently I would ever recommend a natural train. You'll get less sore training more frequently and you'll grow better. Save once/week body part training for pro bodybuilders (read: steroid users) and the genetically elite.
    Excellent!

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    Great article.
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    Great article. You'll never see this in Muscle and Fitness.

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    All hail this article. Lyle, this ranks in the top 3 most useful things I've ever read on WBB, and I've read most of it.
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    This article is what made me go to the gym tonight, despite my gazillion excuses. Turns out I matched a PR and set another.
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    The best part about this article is that it makes you feel like crap even though it doesn't really tell you anything you didn't already know.

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    I saved this, and printed a few to keep in my gym bag for the next time some teenage gym-goer starts asking me questions.

    4. There is truly nothing new under the sun, endless navel gazing and reductive theorizing on other 'cutting edge' sites to the contrary.
    Unfortunately this is true. It has me reading the forums less often these days, since I think I have a pretty good handle on what I'm doing. I still check in, and sometimes contribute (like now). What worked for people 30+ years ago will work today. It may not be optimal, but it will work. Humans haven't changed much in the last thousand years.
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    i only read and post on forums for entertainment now a days anyway it is a good pass time.

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    Originally Posted by Lyle
    2. Training a body part less than 2X/week will not give you optimal gains. An upper/lower split done Mon/Tue/Thu/Fri is close to optimal for most. Full body twice a week can work very well. Once every 5th day is the least frequently I would ever recommend a natural train. You'll get less sore training more frequently and you'll grow better. Save once/week body part training for pro bodybuilders (read: steroid users) and the genetically elite.



    Hold on a second...

    I've always thought that I would overtrain if I hit a bodypart 2x in one week. I thought that was only for guys using steroids who could recover faster than me.

    As it is now I do chest and tris on day 1, rest day 2, back and biceps day 3, legs day 4, shoulders day 5.

    Should I be working everything twice a week???

    Really???

    Seriously I am kind of stunned by this but am willing to give it a try if it might work...

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    yes, just coz u hit each bodypart 2x a week, it doesnt mean your going to be doing 2x the amount of sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsethmeister
    Should I be working everything twice a week???

    Really???

    Seriously I am kind of stunned by this but am willing to give it a try if it might work...
    Your body has no concept of a week. There is no physiological relation to a 7 day cycle. People use a weekly split because it fits into the schedule of their life.

    To maximize gains, train a bodypart as soon as it is recovered, or potentially even before full recovery. For most people, this recovery period tends to be less than a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Clough
    If you want to be told some of the secrets to training with no punches pulled read on... You had better be thick skinned though!

    http://www.wannabebig.com/article.php?articleid=211

    Discuss away!
    Not sure what I need a thick skin about for this one - once again, Lyle's right on the money.

    I particularly enjoyed this:
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
    The key to losing weight and keeping it off is the following

    a. Change your eating habits: so that you're eating less

    b. Change your activity patterns: so that you're expending more calories

    c. Repeat: Keep doing this over a long period of time.

    d. Forever: Newsflash, you don't EVER get to go back to your old eating habits unless you want to get fat again. To maintain weight loss means maintaining at least part of the changes you made to a and b.

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    Plenty of expletives, but I thought it was a good article too.

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    Spot on in idiot's terms. If you could put that in VERY LARGE print in a 300 page book; it would sell a million copies.

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    another excellent read. I enjoyed this one immensely.
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    Would working each muscle 2 times per week too much for someone who is dieting?? Also, my legs are sore as **** for atleast 3-4 days and then they are still a little sore after that.. Working them 2 days a week could help them recover faster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wannabelean
    Would working each muscle 2 times per week too much for someone who is dieting?? Also, my legs are sore as **** for atleast 3-4 days and then they are still a little sore after that.. Working them 2 days a week could help them recover faster?
    If you are dieting, you SHOULD be training more frequently. And, as someone has already mentioned, training 2x per week DOES NOT mean you are doing 2x the volume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manveet
    If you are dieting, you SHOULD be training more frequently.
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    Has to do with gene expression/protein synthesis and keep calories shuttled where they need to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerManDL
    Has to do with gene expression/protein synthesis and keep calories shuttled where they need to be.

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    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

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    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerManDL
    Has to do with gene expression/protein synthesis and keep calories shuttled where they need to be.
    So basically you're saying that these factors are more important in preventing muscle catabolism as opposed to trying for anabolism in much the same way that protein consumption should actually be higher on a cut than a bulk?

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    Yeah basically. It's sending the signal to keep the muscle, essentially.
    Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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    The last 50lbs I have lost while seriously training were most likely pure fat(IMO, everything feels the same and my strength is up or the same in every lift)

    You are saying by training each muscle 2 times per week would still be better? I don't see the difference in working each muscle 2 times per week in 4 days and working each muscle once per week in 4 days?

    Not arguing, just trying to understand.

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