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    Dumb Question - Squats

    Hi wbb.

    Ok, squats - need to do em right? My gym has a leg press machine that I have been using to do squats (no squat machine). I dont think its intense enough (happily repping most of the weight on the machine now )

    So I tried to squat holding some dumbells in each hand as a step up, held a reasonable dumb bell palms in, feet shoulder width apart - slowly lowered my ass to near the floor and slowly stood up again. Is this right because it felt god damn weird, unnatural and as if I was going to hurt something if I did more.
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    first of all on a leg press you don't squat you press!

    doesn't your gym gave a rack?
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    Wrong on both acounts

    There is no adctual squat machine. Do a search at exrx.net and look for 'barbell squat'
    And what you were doing sounds like Dumbell deadlifts.....I think.

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    There is no squat rack no

    I will have a look at exrx.net and get back to you if I still dont get it.

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    Yeah man if you think leg press is a squat, you may want to go to the site that was suggested its very informative on all exerices. Doing squats is really going to be new to you so take it slow and the weight will get there.
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    What a top site - thanks for the links guys.

    "work" done, off to gym now
    Now July 06
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    Target Dec 06
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    Weight - 230 pounds
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    Nice, hit them squats, concentrate on form then worry about weight.
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    If your gym doesn't have a squat rack or power rack, you should find another gym.
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    Yeah, Paul Is right, What kind of gym doesnt have a rack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Stagg
    If your gym doesn't have a squat rack or power rack, you should find another gym.
    Beat me to it.

    And I can't stress it enough. If you're going to start squatting; learn to squat as low as you can go. It may take awhile, but it will be worth it. Also, REALLY REALLY REALLY stress that posterior chain. In doing so, it will make squatting all the more "easier" (if there is such a thing..haha).

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    Lol...yeah find a new gym. And no Tony there is no such thing as easy squatting haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XxH0LyWaRsxX
    Yeah, Paul Is right, What kind of gym doesnt have a rack?
    I believe that would be a gym focuses more on safety or simply not enough people demanding it.

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    If you have no squat rack.. just do what i have been doing... Overhead Squat... These are killer man. I just now started doing OH Squat with one legged squat on my lighter leg day. You should give it a try.

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    I'd tell them "what kind of gym doesn't have a power rack" and if they don't tell me what I wanna hear I'd ask for a refund. They might not give it to me but I'd find another gym like everyone else said.

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    Our leg press machine can be used to hack squat. Maybe thats what hes talking about.

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    Thanks for all the info guys (internet access busted over the weekend so sorry for not being here to listen - until now).

    WBBIRL - What are these hack squats you mention?

    All the comments about moving Gyms, I probably will when it comes to re-newal time.

    By the way, I tried the squats as promised. Holy fook - you lot are not joing are you? I could bearly walk over the weekend and that was with tiny dumbells!!! Leg routine now looks like:

    - 10 min warmup (running or some such)
    - 3 * 10 Squats starting pretty light, I aim to fail on the 3rd set.
    - 3 * 10 on the leg press machine.
    - 2 * 10 leg extension machine.
    - 2 * 10 on the leg curling machine
    - 2 * 10 weighted calf raises.
    - Fall over crying like a baby.

    Repeated twice a week (doing a top / bottom split at the mo).
    What do you think?
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    Body Fat - 17.3 %

    Target Dec 06
    Height - lanky and love it.
    Weight - 230 pounds
    Body Fat - under 15 %

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    Two things to think about:

    1) Maybe lose the leg extensions and do an extra 2 sets of calf raises instead as they tend to need extra attention to build mass.

    2) Regarding hamstrings, perhaps swop the leg curl machine for a compound lift like straight-back SLDL.

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    I would go up to about 6 sets of 15 on your calfs. Only put like 30 seconds in between sets. I would hit them twice a week. If you want them to grow, you need to exhaust them a bit.

    Why down to 2 sets on the curling and extensions? I would definitely keep those up at 3 sets also. Like someone else said, throw in some straight leg dead lifts and you will have yourself a nice routine to get some growth.
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    As luck would have it its legs tonight, I will modify the routine to drop the presses and increase the calfs, extesions and curls. 3 sets eh?

    Thanks again.
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    Weight - 215 pounds
    Body Fat - 17.3 %

    Target Dec 06
    Height - lanky and love it.
    Weight - 230 pounds
    Body Fat - under 15 %

    Here's a tip: the reason you're in the situation you're in (being a fatass) is because you're lazy. Change that and maybe you can change your body. -- Motivation Gold from Anthony.

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    [QUOTE=krazydawg]I would go up to about 6 sets of 15 on your calfs. Only put like 30 seconds in between sets. I would hit them twice a week. If you want them to grow, you need to exhaust them a bit.
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    I wouldn't do this. You do not need to exhaust them to make them grow
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    I agree with ftotti10. I only do 4 sets of 12 for my calves once to twice a week and they're coming out nicely. I also make sure to pause at the top about a second. Works for me. I can barely stand after those sets.

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    Everyone is different. Some people's legs need higher volume workouts to gain decent mass, and some people can barely do half as much work and still gain just as much. If whatever muscle you're working on feels like you can beat it up for a couple more sets before you move on then do it. If you're failing early a couple sets from the end, call it quits on that muscle group after that exercise. Do what works for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krazydawg
    I would go up to about 6 sets of 15 on your calfs. Only put like 30 seconds in between sets. I would hit them twice a week. If you want them to grow, you need to exhaust them a bit.

    Why down to 2 sets on the curling and extensions? I would definitely keep those up at 3 sets also. Like someone else said, throw in some straight leg dead lifts and you will have yourself a nice routine to get some growth.

    You are the last bastard that should be giving advice on training calves you son of a bitch. Like you've ever trained yours.
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    BCC, just because my calves are the size of your hams doesn't mean you have to be jealous. Contrary to your belief, I did have to train them to get them like this............well, genetics did help a bit, but I still say 6 sets of 15 with 30 seconds in between will give you the best results. Write that down Chase and make it routine. I will be checking up on you.
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