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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    benching increase

    I've been benching bout 95 for the past 4 weeks, i left religiously, including bench. Is this normal, or should i be increasing more?

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    post your routine/diet

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    when i ate terrible i was stuck at 95 for some time... i started eating well and a month later im at 135
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    It's probably your routine. Post your routine.

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    i am having the same issue. i am 207lbs and 5'11" and watching someone my size bench 135 is beyond pathetic...especially when i can squat 355 and DL 275. my diet isnt the strictest in the world. i eat smart thats all. rarely sugar, like 1 snack every 2 weeks and i focus on high protien low carb diet. i have also been lifting for over a year and thats as far as ive gotten so now i am desparate to try anything to increase it to a respectable weight.

    sorry if i hijacked your threat but i was gonna post the same thing about myself.

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    blaindsmith why in your signature does it say you can do 185x2?

    Anyway how many sets and reps are you doing for your chest workouts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatrb38
    blaindsmith why in your signature does it say you can do 185x2?

    Anyway how many sets and reps are you doing for your chest workouts?
    that is my max. i routinely bench 135 and my grip i have tried all y fingers on the ring but no changes.

    i do chest on monday and thursday

    Bench 135x8 135x8 145x6
    Incline DB 45x8 55x8 65x8
    Cable Flyes 30x8 40x8 50x8

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    Mabye because thats what he can do???

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    I have been struggling with this excercise too. You need to attack you weak points, so spend more time and put more thought into benching. I've trying a russian progressive load program for pure strength increases. I'll post the results when I'm done (3 weeks till the end).

    Search the PLing forum for threads on bench to learn the proper technique, because it plays an important role.
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    Experiment with grip widths, arching, rep schemes...anything that will change up what you normally do. Also, work on proper setup. That's key. You want to have a strong base, so when you are on the bench be sure feet and butt reamin planted, shoulder blades are squeezed together, body is tight, and take a deep breath before the movement and hold till you start pushing up (valsalva maneuver). This creates intraabdominal pressure which will help your lift (works well for squat and deadlift, too). Try powerlifting style. Arch your back as much as possible, use a wide grip, touch low on your chest, and follow all the setup things I mentioned above. I guarantee your bench will go up if you do all these things.
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    Eat more. Seriously. I had a terrible plateau with benchpress and tried everything I could think of. When I finally increased my calories by 500+ cals a day my bench went up.

    Other than that look at your weak points. Stronger triceps, stronger delts and stronger lats will result in a stronger benchpress.

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    When I started lifting about 5-6 months ago, I was only at 90lbs. and increased bench upto 170lbs. x 10 and my max is at 205lbs (I've only tried max out once).
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    I'll post my routine if you would like to see it.
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    i dont think my triceps are weak since i can do dips with my bodyweight plus a plate. also my shoulders are too bad either which i can DB shoulder press 65's.

    as for eating, i eat 5-6 times a day and like i said i watch what i eat because i do have fat around my midsection, not bad, but enough to make me be aware of what im eating so i dont eat everything in sight. ill focus on the setup and execution more. is there a bench/chest routine that i should try and use with different rep schemes but keeping the rest of my workout the same since it seems to be working for me.

    thanks for all the responses and i hope the dude that started this threat benefits from these responses as well cause he hasnt posted since this thread started so i hope he isnt pissed lol.

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    Wow that is weird blaindsmith! Very weird! You are benching 2x a week also, which is really good I think. What does the rest of your routine look like. Are you working any of the upper body on the day before you bench? I find I don't do so well if I work upper body 2 days in a row, regardless of the muscles I am working.

    As for bench routines there is something called the Russian Bench Routine, you can run a search it will come up, it will increase your bench by 10-30lbs, but you'll have to alter your whole routine to use it, so I dunno if you want to go that route, especially if the rest of it is working as you say. And you know it seems to be, your other lifts seem very strong. Actually you could probably use it and keep doing most of your regular exercises, but you'll have to cut the volume down on them, because the russian bench routine calls for lots of benching, 3x a week to be exact.

    You said you had some fat you'd like to get rid of, so eating more doesn't seem like a good solution. I think you can fix this if you somehow adjust your routine. I would try to adjust your current routine before going to the russian bench routine, especially since you are doing so well in everything else. Goodluck.
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    bench is the very first thing i do on those days

    my routine is...

    monday & thursday - chest/back/shoulders
    Bench 3x8
    Incline DB 3x8
    Flyes 3x8
    DL's 3x8
    Hammer Strength Rows 3x8
    Lat Pulldowns 3x8
    DB Shoulder Press 3x8
    Upright Rows 3x8
    Shrugs 2x10

    tuesday & friday - arms/legs
    squats 3x8
    leg curls 3x8
    calf raises 3x8
    straight BB curls 3x8
    hammer curls 3x8
    preacher curls 3x8
    pressdowns 3x8
    skullcrushers 3x8
    dips 3x8

    i know someone may think i am overtraining myself and i have thought that too but this has work really well for me since i am not very active otherwise.
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    If I might...Do you ever go for the rep range 1-6? I don't know about you but I find my body responds well to heavy weights more often, although I can say that my strength greatly exceeds my muscle stamina but if you are trying to get ur 1RM up then I suggest going for like 6 reps max then upping the weight if you can get it more than that

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaindsmith
    i dont think my triceps are weak since i can do dips with my bodyweight plus a plate.
    Triceps can never be too strong. And don't mean to burst your bubble, but that's not all THAT impressive. No offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blaindsmith
    i dont think my triceps are weak since i can do dips with my bodyweight plus a plate. also my shoulders are too bad either which i can DB shoulder press 65's.
    I'd say that's right on par with a 185 bench. Are you benching elbows in or out?

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    There's some good information on warming up and lifting in general at this site. You only have to enter your email address and you get access to the whole program. I've been using it for almost a year and I don't think anything could work better for me.
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    Benchs get stuck man, my is at what I would call a slow creep (unless I nail my next increase). I know that for me it doesnt go up periodically... it will stay at a certaint point and then a month or two later shoot up. When I first started back into lift 9 months ago I could only do 205x3 maybe 4. A few short months after that I was rearing in the mid to high 200's and then just as of late Ive broken into the 300+lb range. My body just works like that, maybe theres something with yours you just dont know about. Theres always the possiblity that your a hard gainer, or that you need to change things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaindsmith
    bench is the very first thing i do on those days
    That is not what I mean sorry. What I mean is are you doing any upper body work the day before you bench, and it seems you are. Someone else was doing the same thing in another thread and they didn't understand why they weren't making gains.

    You are working arms the day before you do chest, in particular triceps. This is gonna reduce your performance for the next day when you bench, which is bench day. Some people people might not think this a big deal, but I think it is extremely important to avoid this. I mean you can make gains this way but they will be slower, no doubt it. It is couterproductive to work the same muscles 2 days in a row. When you bench, you use alot of tricep and arm movement. Try to find something where you never work upper body 2 days in a row.

    I dunno, it just seems really bad to do things the way you have it. I'm surprised nobody noticed that. Then again some people might not think it's a big deal because lots of people do train like that. I have trained like that in the past and my gains weren't as good compared to training routines where I never hit the upper or lower body 2 days in a row. Lot's of pro bodybuilders train like that, arnolds routines come to mind. But you know those guys have better genes and much better recovery(drugs) than the average joe heh. And you can make gains like that, I'm not saying it's not possible, I just don't think it's optimal. Goodluck.
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    maybe it is that time to change things up and no offense taken, gotta progress from somewhere even if its at the bottom.

    i registered on the ast site for the max-ot program and i will see what thats all about.

    ill see how everything goes and ill prob start a journal.

    thanks fellas.

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    i agree, the one thing i noticed with your routine was that you seem to be working your tri's everyday you workout. people do make gains that way, but if you want to add strength to your bench your tri's def need the rest cuz they are one of the main muscles used during the bench press if executed with good form.

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