I think they've reached an all time low.
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I didn't even read it, just read the subtitles of each of the seven exercises, and I have to say I'm disgusted.
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It's funny how the people they reference in the "Dont Bench Press" section (Jay Cutler being one of them) are on gear !!!
That makes any training advice they're giving out, other than diet maybe, non-applicable.
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Hmm. I have to say I fundamentally agree with him for many of the examples:
LYING TRICEPS EXTENSIONS
PRESSES BEHIND THE NECK
For an advanced bodybuilder, what he says is probably true for MOST or ALL of the 7 exercises.
Uh...some of those I definitely don't agree with (bench press, lame squat in place of actual squat, etc).
"The only easy day was yesterday."
I have to say I agree barbell curls can be bad but I love laying tricep extentions using Ez-Bar's.
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Well, that cuts my workout time down considerably. Yay!
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Actually, diet advise is different on and of gear, too.Originally Posted by Wierz
As I understand it, "on", you have preferential nutrient partitioning into muscle tissue, and less need for dietary fats for your endocrine support (since your hormones are largely exogenous). Translation: eat lots of protein and lots of carbs. Ditch fats, since they pretty much become empty calories under this paradigm.
Kinda explains a lot about how the low-fat dieting mythology is so enmeshed in the fitness industry, if you ask me.
Already this article is flawed... I read two paragraphs and I seriously think this guy has no idea what he's talking about. tuttutConsider what you're doing when squatting. You have a heavy weight on your traps, sometimes more than 500 pounds, pressing down on your spine. Then you bend down, putting your lumbar region in a vulnerable position, not to mention the strain on your knees and even your shoulders, from holding the bar.
It's almost like you're on another higher level of intelligence.Originally Posted by Built
"The only easy day was yesterday."
It's a little (okay, a lot) hyperbolic, but there is a point to be made about taller people having to bend forward quite far when squatting, to the point where lower back involvement becomes too much. It's why I sometimes prefatigue my legs before squatting. You'll note that both the squat and barbell row recommendations come from overuse of the lower back, which is a very relevant concern.Originally Posted by cosmicdebree88
I also think the "being on gear" has little to do with these suggestions. It's too easy to throw out that catch-all excuse/criticism and ignore the larger points of the article, which I think are fairly relevant.
i think hes got a point with behind the neck presses and to a lesser extend skull crushers and curls. aside from that hes full of **** imo.
Be that as it may, some of us have a VERY long way to go before squatting 500 lbs. becomes a reality.
The article neglects to mention, that with proper form, many of the problems discussed therein would not be a concern.
That being said, training styles do change over time as a lifter progresses from one stage in his or her career to the next. It may be that fifteen years down the road that squats (to pick a lift) may not feature as prominently in my workouts as they do now.
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I doubt very much Bob C. even wrote this article--although it is similiar to other articles I've seen attributed to him, so it could be. For anything positive or negative I would say about it, I think the following is very good advice:
I find the whole notion of a given exercise being required to get big simply silly. Sure, do compound movements, work hard, and eat right. But there is no magic routine or exercise that's going to solve all your problems and make you hyooooge.You don't have to do anything except what works best for you
A number of the arguments made in the article are pretty valid IMO.
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I have mixed feelings about the article. I totally agree with the straight bar comment. I have never done a full set of straight bar curls or tricep extensions just because it hurts my wrists to have them straight out like that. EZ bar is the way to go for curls.
I have to disagree about the skull crushers comment. I dont know what he's talking about "bouncing" the bar off your face. Ive never touched my head with the bar. I know he's big and probably using huge weight but he should worry about controlling the weight not knocking himself out with it.
Im big on bench and incline bench hurts my shoulders. Ive never had a pec or shoulder problem asssociated with bench... I guess Ive always had proper form for it.
I could see how you could get injured from squats if you are doing them improperly and are using more weight than you can handle, and if done just a little off, you can put a lot of stress on your lower back.
I agree with the behind the head presses and pull ups. Yes they do work the back and shoulders real good, but they can really tear up your shoulders and rotator cuffs.
He's got some controversial comments in that article, but at least he supported his opinions with good facts. Its all in the individual whos lifting, though. You have to find what works for you and what doesnt. Remember, if it hurts, you arnt doing it right, and you should stop.
<blushes coyly, flutters eyelashes...>Originally Posted by sCaRz*Of*PaiN
If your taller, like what the article said 5-10+ it's harder to do squats. I think this is BS b/c if your anatomically correct, the ratio of your back length to legs to height should be porportionaly identical to someone who is shorter. So why would it be any harder? Deadlifts I can see that being a problem b/c the ratio of the bar height/lifter height would be off. Say for instance, 5ft guy dl a bar that is 10inches off the ground. Now for a guy who is 6ft tall the bar needs to be at 12inches off the ground to be at the same ratio to make the lift even.
he did mention at the begining, he used some exercsie to help get big. hes but hes more maintaining and built a good foundation.
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this article is pretty good IMHO... i am not going to stop doing those exercises, but it does give me somethign to think about.
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Crossfit Total: Press: 135 - Squat: 315 - Deadlift: 365
Competition Lifts: Clean: 205 - Bench: 205
I agree with the BB curls they kill my wrists and Elbows, EX bar for the win. Not squating? He should be shot for that!
I think that artice is complete and utter $HIT.... he harps aginst all of the big 3 lifts. Then he goes and says that a strait bar is bad because of all the inner elbow stress... well if he practiced what he preaches he wouldnt be loading up plates and he would have 0% inner elbow strain (atleast according to him). People arnt built for squats.. rofl I wonder what is an "ideal" squat build... I was squatting nearly 500lbs and my traps or anything else never had a problem. Problem is that people who have weak cores try to do to much, when my overall core strength was higher I could place 400+lbs on my back and not strain under it... now It would probably not be comfortable. BB curls dont cause any extra pain then a standard EZ bar or DB curl.
Total garbage.... my .02
It states clearly "for advanced bodybuilders" right from the start. Few posters in this thread if any, including myself, apply.
Actually, no.Originally Posted by Bravo
The exact quote is "For advanced bodybuilders, this is more like the "King of All Back Breakers and Butt Builders." For newbie and perhaps intermediate lifters, this is still one of the best movements for adding mass and increasing strength provided that proper form is utilized throughout the movement.
Mr. Cicherillo makes the statement that "you don't have to do anything except what works best for you", thereby implying that the methodology laid out in the article can be applied to any individual at any level of progression. That's a pretty bold statement to make, not one I necessarily agree with.
You don't get to learn calculus without learning basic math and algebra first; I would imagine that a similar analogy applies to bodybuilding. Build the foundation first before delving into advanced concepts.