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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    The World According to Prune

    Ok, i've been working out on a program for about a month now, but just thought i'd post a journal on here to get some comments, suggestions, and encouragement. I'm a 130lb ectomorph so i'm currently trying to bulk.

    My routine looks like this:

    Mon:chest/back
    Tues:shoulders/abs
    wed:rest or light cardio
    Thurs:bis/tris
    Fri:legs
    sat:rest or light cardio
    sun: rest or ligth cardio

    If i do cardio, it's only about once a week and more because i'm bored than becuase i need it.

    I'll post my diet a little later

    Well, hope this goes well...please comment
    Last edited by pruneman; 07-13-2004 at 07:09 PM.
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    Just got back from the gym. I didn't lift today, but i did a spinning class. They're really tough!!
    I know that the general opinion is that cardio should be eliminated during bulking, but the heart is a major muscle too. Shouldn't i encorporate some sort of cardiovascular excercis into my routine...just a limited amount?

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    yes, cardio is fine when bulking IMO.
    "Eat until it hurts dammit! Then eat more. Youll get used to it. I think its like sex for a chick. Sure it hurts the first time, but after a couple rides it just goes in like a glove." -clvmike19

    "... chicks are like smarties. They're different colors but each share the same deliciousness. Its just a matter of deciding if you'll save the red ones for last or eat a bunch of different ones in the same handful." -wibble

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    ok, here's the rundown for food for today...
    Meal 1: 1C oatmeal (dry), 6 egg whites and one yolk
    Meal 2: 1/2 of one of Ghettosmurf's MRP's
    Meal 3: Tuna sandwich and .5c oatmeal dry and tsp EVOO
    Meal 4:PWO: 60g dextrose, 20g whey
    Meal 5: one slice WW bread, 4 egg whites, 1T PB
    Meal 6: 3 C broccoli, 6oz chicken, 1T EVOO
    Meal 7: 1C cottage cheese and probably some Natty PB (haven't had this one yet)

    Hey ghettosmurf...if this looks familiar, i stole most of it from you

    -Pman
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    hey no problem man, i hope it works good 4 ya

    by the way- what is EVOO?
    "Eat until it hurts dammit! Then eat more. Youll get used to it. I think its like sex for a chick. Sure it hurts the first time, but after a couple rides it just goes in like a glove." -clvmike19

    "... chicks are like smarties. They're different colors but each share the same deliciousness. Its just a matter of deciding if you'll save the red ones for last or eat a bunch of different ones in the same handful." -wibble

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    btw- with the MRP, if you dont like the taste of it, try adding a packet or 2 of splenda. that's what ive started doing and IMO it tastes even better w/ the splenda in it.
    "Eat until it hurts dammit! Then eat more. Youll get used to it. I think its like sex for a chick. Sure it hurts the first time, but after a couple rides it just goes in like a glove." -clvmike19

    "... chicks are like smarties. They're different colors but each share the same deliciousness. Its just a matter of deciding if you'll save the red ones for last or eat a bunch of different ones in the same handful." -wibble

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    Cardio is the devil! Kill it! Kill it now!!!

    Hey good to see ya working out. I love these journals b/c youre just like me. I started out at 138 in Jan and Im 151 now. The key is this man. EAT!!! Eat now, eat later, eat when you dont want to. Just eat it all. Eat tuna, eggs, bread, chicken, your girlfriend EVERYTHING.

    And train hard. Lift as big as you can WITH GOOD FORM. Dont cheat your self. You can do it. My skinny ass put weight on. Rest too. I made that mistake of overtraining.

    Ill be stopping by frequently to see the progess man.

    oh and welcome to the WBBSA (WBBSkinnyAsses)
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    Hey GS: EVOO=Extra Virgin Olive Oil
    Yeah, i have been adding splenda to the MRP and its not too bad
    BTW--how quickly do you drink that MRP?

    Thanks

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    well. i usually keep it in a little cooler type thing that fits in my backpack so i ca bring it to school. then during clas i take it out and drink it in about 5-10 minutes or so
    "Eat until it hurts dammit! Then eat more. Youll get used to it. I think its like sex for a chick. Sure it hurts the first time, but after a couple rides it just goes in like a glove." -clvmike19

    "... chicks are like smarties. They're different colors but each share the same deliciousness. Its just a matter of deciding if you'll save the red ones for last or eat a bunch of different ones in the same handful." -wibble

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    Got home early from work so i'm going to hit the gym now. My legs hurt like a mofo from that spinning class yesterday.

    Thanks for the welcome clvmike19

    I'll post again later tonight.

    -Pman
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    Well, i just got back from the gym. My younger bro went with me (he's 17, i'm 19). He is my height and build, but he weighs about 15 lb more than i do and i completely wore him out. It was probably my best day yet (i know its only been a month that i've been lifting).

    Chest stuff:
    BB incline pres: 80x10; 90x9; 95x6
    DB flat press: 45's x10;50's x9x55's x5 (had a little help on the last rep)
    Flys: 25'sx12;30'sx10
    Pullover machine: 90x12; 105x11;115x7

    Back stuff:
    Pulldowns: 85x15; 95x12; 105x8 (this is up 10lb from last time)
    Bentover Row: 75x12; 80x10(8 were quality)
    Closegrip cable row: 75x12; 85x<10; 90x8
    Deadlifts: 95x10; 105x10; 115;8

    Comments: I made great improvements in almost everything on this workout. DB press last time was 40x12; 45x10; 50;6. Pulldown's were also much better. This is the first time i really tried hard on deadlifts. I know it's not much weight, but it felt really good and i think i used good form at least.

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    Here's the food breakdown for today:

    cals: 2197

    Carb: 222

    Protein: 181

    Fat: 61

    Probably not enough cals. I guess i'll try harder tomorrow
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    need about 1000 more cals! You can do it. Good job on the workouts. Deads are fun and its good to hear youre using good form. Get that down and the weight will come.

    Now drop that damn cardio and go pick up some tuna or something
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    Good ole mike. Always yappin about food. Look out for this guy, hes a Calorie Whore and all Calorie Whores eventually turn into monsters. Pack in those cals pruneman, and good job with the workouts! Deadlifts are one of my favorite exercises for sure. They're hard not to like once ya start moving those big numbers. Form is the most important thing though, you could mess yourself up good if you're not careful. Glad you were keeping an eye on yourself. Keep up the good work!

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    whats up yo! good luck with your goals looks like you gots a solid workout for your chest and back stuff.

    I agree with clvmike19, looks like you got plenty of protein in your diet, maybe add a few more carbs in there...if your bulking you will need them. a little cardio aint gonna kill ya, but if your gonna do cardio make sure you get more calories than you expend to bulk.
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    hey its my formula for life

    food=good

    follow that simple rule and everything else follows. Well almost everything. Ok, youll get bigger thats about all.
    " ...if all else fails, just whip out those b'normous biceps!!!!!!! Teh lad33z <3 teh str3ngth!"- McIrish

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    Originally posted by pruneman
    I know that the general opinion is that cardio should be eliminated during bulking, but the heart is a major muscle too. Shouldn't i encorporate some sort of cardiovascular excercis into my routine...just a limited amount?
    You do not need to do cardio, if you do not want to. However, if done in the desired manner (separating it from weight workouts, not doing it on an empty stomach or other times when glycogen reserves are low, avoiding overtraining the legs, etc), it should not significantly interfere with your gains. There have been a few studies showing one or two cardio sessions a week on non strength days does not negatively impact strength and size gains, maintains conditioning, and maintains fat oxidation efficiency. I do cardio nearly every day, and have been making good muscle gains in recent weeks while maintaining a low body fat %.

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    Thanks for the responses fellas. Gonna try to up the cals today. I shoot for 2600+ but i often have trouble getting to that. I'll post again after work.

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    how do you have trouble getting to 2600?

    is it becuase of time? work? school?

    if you need some idea's for getting more meals in, ill gladly help ya out
    "Eat until it hurts dammit! Then eat more. Youll get used to it. I think its like sex for a chick. Sure it hurts the first time, but after a couple rides it just goes in like a glove." -clvmike19

    "... chicks are like smarties. They're different colors but each share the same deliciousness. Its just a matter of deciding if you'll save the red ones for last or eat a bunch of different ones in the same handful." -wibble

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    Well, healthy foods tend to be bulky and i tend to fill up...i think i'm still just getting used to it. I would definately like some advice though. Thanks Ghetto.
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    I know what you mean, when you start eating healthy it filled me up as well. If I wasnt righting stuff down and keeping track of calories I would not be eating enough to bulk becuase when eating good foods you arent as hungry, and if I used my hunger as a guage for when to eat next, I would not be getting enough calories....

    things to up your calorie count could be bagels (@250 cals) lean ground beeg (1/2 lb @400cals) milk (@100 cals cup) protein bars (@200 cals each) yogurt (@200 cals a serving) almonds (@150 cals a handful) and flax seed oil is @150 cals a tablespoon.
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    if you have trouble downing foods like that, try making a shake out of them and drink your cals.

    1 Cups Oats
    1 TBSP Natural PN
    1 Scoop Whey
    Couple Packets of Splenda

    put in a blender and liquify it

    ~500 calories right there, and i bet you'll still be hungry after that!
    "Eat until it hurts dammit! Then eat more. Youll get used to it. I think its like sex for a chick. Sure it hurts the first time, but after a couple rides it just goes in like a glove." -clvmike19

    "... chicks are like smarties. They're different colors but each share the same deliciousness. Its just a matter of deciding if you'll save the red ones for last or eat a bunch of different ones in the same handful." -wibble

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    IMO if you're going to do cardio on a bulk, do HIIT type cardio. It takes less time, is more intense, and targets fat cells more than does regular cardio. Do 10-15 minutes of HIIT, 3 times a week and you'll keep help keep fat in control.



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    Thanks for all the tips guys. Kenn, i'm glad to hear that i'm not the only one without an endless appetite. Believe me, i can eat a lot, but there is only so much room inside me.

    Today was abs and shoulders:

    Shoulders:
    Hehind the neck press: 70x10; 80x8(help on #8); 85x6(help on 6)
    Upright row: 65x12;75x8;80x8
    DB Shrugs: 40'sx20; 50'sx15
    DB Lateral raises: 10's 12; 15'sx<9

    Abs:
    Crunches: 35;30;30
    Hanging knee raises: 25;25 (this was to my limit)
    DB Oblique "bends" (not really sure what the heck these are called) 45'sx35; 55'sx30
    Weighted roman chair: 25lbx15;25lbx15

    Comments: It wasn't a bad workout; wasn't a great one either. I definately felt fatigued when i was finished, but i didn't eat enough today, so that probably has a lot to do with it.

    Are tere any exercises you guys would add/subtract/substitute in this workout? Thanks

    I'll post my diet stuff later.

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    Todays diet:

    Meal1: 1C oats (dry), 7eggs one yolk
    Meal 2: 0.5 of ghettosmurf's MRP
    Meal 3: tuna sandwich
    Meal 4: slice of pizza
    Meal 5: 0.5 of MRP
    Meal 6: 52g dextrose, scoop whey
    Meal 7:yam and 6oz chicken breast, 1oz nuts
    Meal 8: 1T natty, 1C LF Cottage cheese

    Comes out to this:
    Cals: 2595
    Fat: 66g
    Protein:220
    Carb: 270

    -Pman
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