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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Best Hand Strengthener?

    I want to buy a hand strengthner, the one i had was my dads old one where you have a loop of metal to make a resistance, it was nice but it snapped in half just the other night. Anyone use hand strengtheners? What do you like and where can you buy it.

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    Try the farmer's walk. Look it up.
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    ^^^^^^

    I think by "nut crusher" he was referring to the hand strengthener you described, because they look like walnut crackers.
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    I noticed that those "nut crusher" things aren't very resistant to my grip and I probably just have an average grip-strength for a weightlifter.

    Are there ones with different resistances that you can buy or do they not vary the resitance on them very much?

    If I took an average one and gripped it I'd be able to do reps for quite a while (above the low-rep range that I'd be looking for)
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    Are there ones with different resistances that you can buy or do they not vary the resitance on them very much?
    You can purchase different ones that vary in resistance quite a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sCaRz*Of*PaiN
    You can purchase different ones that vary in resistance quite a bit.
    Oh then nevermind my above post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by law56ker
    I want to buy a hand strengthner, the one i had was my dads old one where you have a loop of metal to make a resistance, it was nice but it snapped in half just the other night. Anyone use hand strengtheners? What do you like and where can you buy it.
    This site has generic "Captain of Crush" grippers and the Ivanko gripper. If you buy any of these, you can be pretty sure they'll never snap on you...

    http://www.wwfitness.com/

    You could also go to ironmind.com for a lot of grip items: http://www6.mailordercentral.com/iro...nts.asp?dept=7

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    heavy deads...someone had to say it ^^

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    If you want really strong hands, this is the hardcore way to go:

    http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/trai...ards-rungs.htm

    You can build most of the campus rungs and campus boards on this site from scrap stuff at home with little effort. I don't know if you could build a good hangboard unless you're particularly "handy". (<-- kind of a punn )

    I've also built another hand strengthening device that I've included some pictures of. It is made out of a peice of exhaust pipe, and a 2x6 mainly. I've coined it 'the device' and I've made various holds for it that work your contact strength (grip strength) in varying ways and amounts. I am interesting in bouldering which is why I've gone to all this trouble for hand strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricochet_kid
    If you want really strong hands, this is the hardcore way to go:

    http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/trai...ards-rungs.htm

    You can build most of the campus rungs and campus boards on this site from scrap stuff at home with little effort. I don't know if you could build a good hangboard unless you're particularly "handy". (<-- kind of a punn )
    Hmmm. A campus board is proably the LAST thing that I'd recommend to anyone.

    A hangboard is okay.

    Most lifters will want bar gripping strength and/or crushing strength. I recommend thick bar work and heavy duty crushers.

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    i like static holds.. they're good for traps too. half hanging pullups holding onto a towel is challenging as well
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    not wearing straps, while incorporating heavy pulling exercises, pullups, deadlifts, rows and such help a ton with my hand and grip strength.

    im a college offensive lineman and im known on our team by our fellow defensive linemen for my "death grip" and thats about all i use
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    http://www.ironwoodyfitness.com/Hand...and_grips.html

    or

    http://www.ironwoodyfitness.com/Kett...tle_grips.html

    Lots of websites selling great grippers. That's just one example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    Hmmm. A campus board is proably the LAST thing that I'd recommend to anyone.

    A hangboard is okay.

    Most lifters will want bar gripping strength and/or crushing strength. I recommend thick bar work and heavy duty crushers.
    I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just curious about why you wouldn't recomend a campus board. I realise they're not for everyone. But it requires a huge amount of upperbody and hand strength, and it uses your bodyweight as resistance. I have used campus boards considerably and realized strength gains because of it.

    Is it just because you think the goals of a campus board is not well aligned with the goals of bodybuilders?

    It sounds like you are saying something is drastically flawed with campus boards generally.

    Please clarify.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricochet_kid
    Is it just because you think the goals of a campus board is not well aligned with the goals of bodybuilders?

    It sounds like you are saying something is drastically flawed with campus boards generally.
    Especially so to the first part. A campus board should NOT be used by someone without signficant climbing or hand strength experience, period. It's probably not dangerous to big bodybuilders because I doubt they COULD use it.

    For the second part, a partial yes to that as well. As someone who had built and used a campus board (on the rock wall in my kitchen, at that), I can say I developed my highest level of contact finger strength ever. However, I do think they are far too dangerous for the results they provide, and most importantly, they're not that great for improving CLIMBING.

    Maybe if you need extreme finger strength for climbing, um, Action Directe, they're useful. However, for everyone else, other training methods for finger strength, like hypergravity isolation training (the other HIT), are a much safer way to develop similar strength levels.

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    I think some people in here do not understand that holding heavy weight for a pro-longed duration isn't training your crushing grip strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    Especially so to the first part. A campus board should NOT be used by someone
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    everyone else, other training methods for finger strength, like hypergravity isolation training (the other HIT), are a much safer way to develop similar strength levels.
    Ok, that's good reasoning. I don't do alot of lead climbing or belaying, I do mostly bouldering so I have noticed an increase in my climbing skills as a result of the campus board. Bouldering is dominated by bursty power moves onto tiny holds, and the campus board exercises these skills well. It does have a "well-used" mat beneath it however, and you make a great point about the safety factor of someone doing it at home without proper precautions.

    Thanks for your explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricochet_kid
    Ok, that's good reasoning. I don't do alot of lead climbing or belaying, I do mostly bouldering so I have noticed an increase in my climbing skills as a result of the campus board. Bouldering is dominated by bursty power moves onto tiny holds, and the campus board exercises these skills well. It does have a "well-used" mat beneath it however, and you make a great point about the safety factor of someone doing it at home without proper precautions.

    Thanks for your explanation.
    Well, to be more specific, I don't think that the falling off part is the problem.

    The risk to tendons is very high with campus boards and very few climbers train with them any more. Finger tendons and elbows are very vulnerable to damage. I never hurt myself on a campus board (though I have busted finger tendons in other ways) but I would be fairly sore after frequent use.

    In particular, you can train contact strength much more safely on slopers and open handed stuff, and crimp and static strength with HIT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElPietro
    I think some people in here do not understand that holding heavy weight for a pro-longed duration isn't training your crushing grip strength.
    However, there is probably more grip strength carry over between wrapped hand gripping (like a bar) and crushing (as in grippers), and so it's reasonable to cross train the two. Other types of gripping are far less useful for lifting purposes, e.g. pinching or crimping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElPietro
    I think some people in here do not understand that holding heavy weight for a pro-longed duration isn't training your crushing grip strength.
    I feel like this is targetted specifically at me so... I can't quit seem to see him asking specifically for crushing grip strengtheners, as much as I see him asking for ways to strengthen grip

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    It wasn't targetted at anyone, but in his note he describes a hand gripper (loop of metal), which is what people are generally using for crushing grip strength. Anyone can pinch plates or hold a bar with lots of weight. So if he's asking for a new gripper type device then that's not the same training as static holds, etc.
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    you could also try a riff-grip, its a thing guitarists use to strengthen their fingers, you can do each finger individually or the whole grip at once then, although you might want to go to a music shop and try one first to see if it gives enough resistance.

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    If I may, I would like to offer my services to this forum when it comes to grip strength, training your grip and the various devices to do so.

    I'm a IronMind certified Captain Of Crush, a certified Mash Monster... and quite recently I became a Heavy Grips GRIPPER KING.

    I can answer most questions about using the grippers, how to train with them, and how to build up your grip strength with what you already have. I'm looking for a new forum to help educate those who would like my help in this particular area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybersnott
    If I may, I would like to offer my services to this forum when it comes to grip strength, training your grip and the various devices to do so.

    I'm a IronMind certified Captain Of Crush, a certified Mash Monster... and quite recently I became a Heavy Grips GRIPPER KING.

    I can answer most questions about using the grippers, how to train with them, and how to build up your grip strength with what you already have. I'm looking for a new forum to help educate those who would like my help in this particular area.
    Just post your advice here, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybersnott
    If I may, I would like to offer my services to this forum when it comes to grip strength, training your grip and the various devices to do so.

    I'm a IronMind certified Captain Of Crush, a certified Mash Monster... and quite recently I became a Heavy Grips GRIPPER KING.

    I can answer most questions about using the grippers, how to train with them, and how to build up your grip strength with what you already have. I'm looking for a new forum to help educate those who would like my help in this particular area.
    Yeah, do you have a spare COC Trainer laying around? I was supposed to get one for my birthday, but no one felt like using the damned internet to order one for me.

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