The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness
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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    when to work on abs?

    Hi guys i am a little confused. right now i have a lot of fat around my stomach, so what i do after working out is do 20 mins of treadmill to burn off some fat. i wanted to do abs as well but people tell that it is useless because even if i build my abs, it will be covered by fat. need advice!

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    I work my abs like any other muscle, once or twice a week. But your friend is right, you need to lose the fat to have a 6 pack.

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    Although fat will cover the biggest and strongest six-pack (or eight-pack for that matter), you should still work your abs. Just work them like every other muscle. And if you want to lose fat, you need a good diet.
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    Same as any other muscle group. 1-2x a week with weights.

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    so what i do after working out is do 20 mins of treadmill to burn off some fat
    20 mins of treadmil is probably equal to an apple. Not trying to burst any bubbles but as far as fat burning, cardio/weight training is not for fat burning. Caloric deficit is. Again, with 20 mins of cardio, you aren't really creating enough of a caloric defict to amount to squat. Use cardio/weight training for overall health and fitness. Modify your diet to burn fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jds22
    20 mins of treadmil is probably equal to an apple. Not trying to burst any bubbles but as far as fat burning, cardio/weight training is not for fat burning. Caloric deficit is. Again, with 20 mins of cardio, you aren't really creating enough of a caloric defict to amount to squat. Use cardio/weight training for overall health and fitness. Modify your diet to burn fat.

    Jerry
    if i lower calories, wont i lose muscels as well as fat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohsen
    if i lower calories, wont i lose muscels as well as fat?
    Yes. Both are necessarilyi evils and are just part of the game when it comes to body building. Your diet is very important and you must know what your goal is. If you want to build muscle then you must expect put on fat (bulk or caloric surplus). If you want to burn fat then you must lose some muscle (cut or caloric deficit). It is very difficult to do both at the same time but some can do it. What are your goals and stats? If I were you I would eat a lot and eat clean and build your abs. Then cut and try to remove the fat in order to see your abs.

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    I used to believe that the reason i coudn't see my abs was the same that everyone expoused...too much fat. But about 3 months ago i switched up my ab routine and started lifting the abs more like i would other muscles....12 reps a machine with more weight rather than a large amount or reps with no weight. Seems obvious I know, but I wasn't that well informed before this change. This being one of the only changes i made I was able to get a...its about 4 and a half pack right now, and gets closer to a 6 pack with every lift. So, as much as diet is important, make sure u have abs there to show by doing weighted ab exercises.

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    I actually think a little post-workout cardio can be helpful. It doesn't burn off a LOT of fat, but it does make dieting a little less painful, which is mostly what I use it for.

    I do steady-state this way after lower body workouts (fast incline walk), and toss in some HIIT in the middle of it after upper body workouts.

    As far as the ab situation is concerned, I do 3-6 weighted sets of 8-10 reps for abs once a week if I remember. Usually I just tuck them in somewhere between sets on something else, like, I might alternate seated calves with abs, just to save time.

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    Yes you'll lose some muscle along with the fat but if you take it slowly the ratio of fat loss/muscle loss will be a lot higher. I went on a diet and was scared that I'd lose some muscle and I might have lost a little bit but I've lost a ton of fat and I'm looking a lot better and more defined.
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    nobody told me when to work on abs; morning before breakfast, or nightime before going to bed?

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    Just do it with your regular workout. Mid-day is a good time. Then again I don't know of any reason not to do it before breakfast of late at night, maybe someone else can fill you in a little bit more...
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    I like to work abs at the end of a workout, doesn't matter what time of day....lol, 1:27 PM is the best time to work out abs...

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    I would work on abs at the end of your workout once or twice a week. It doesn't matter what time of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohsen
    nobody told me when to work on abs; morning before breakfast, or nightime before going to bed?
    When you workout.

    But if you want a specific time....I think some studies have shown that 5:36pm is an optimal time.

    Sarcasm aside, you are overthinking it. People have said train them like any other muscle...so, do them during a normal workout. It's not like a certain time you do abs will elicit some awesome fat burning effect. Hell, if you're cutting, you really won't be building them up/strengthening them up much, if at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardToSquat
    I would work on abs at the end of your workout once or twice a week. It doesn't matter what time of the day.
    You work abs at the end of who's workout?

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    Ideally then, you should work them before your cardio session for that day, as they are like every other muscle, correct?

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    Correct.
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    can someone tell me which ab workout had good effect on them, how many sets as well as reps etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohsen
    can someone tell me which ab workout had good effect on them, how many sets as well as reps etc.
    I've seen great results with decline crunches with a 60 lb DB on my chest. I make sure to keep it high on my chest (around my neck) for as long as I can and lower it if I feel weak. I do 2-3 sets @ 8-10 reps, once or twice a week. I do them relatively slowly going up, pause and slowly go down.

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    Look at some of our online journals.

    BUT if you're too lazy here's what I do.

    Weighted Crunches
    (On a decline with weight plate behind my head)
    I do 3 sets of these 'til failure which should be anywhere from 6-12 reps.
    Then I do one set of weighted crunches on the machine for about 8-10 reps.

    That's it. Do that once or twice a week and you'll be good to go.

    I usually also work my obliques and sometimes my lower back on my torso day also. I highly recommend it.
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    ok I'm new here but all along I thought cardio was the primary way to go in order to lose fat without changing your diet. I guess this explains my minimal progress. Any good reads on a fat burning ab routine and diet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undisputed
    ok I'm new here but all along I thought cardio was the primary way to go in order to lose fat without changing your diet. I guess this explains my minimal progress.
    It's a common misconception, fuelled by the fitness industry.
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    Any good reads on a fat burning ab routine and diet?
    Unfortunately, there IS no fat burning ab routine and diet.

    You drop ab fat by dropping fat. Period.

    You'll have to figure out what your maintenance calories are, then drop them by say 15%. Keep the protein and fats at sufficient levels - you need those. Carbs aren't essential, so you can drop a lot of your calories from there.

    Lift heavy.

    And do some reading - this has been covered all over WBB.

    Good luck!

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