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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatred
    Go figger.Nash-what the hell is "levering"?
    From http://www.heavysports.com/emag/Clay_Edgin/cards.html

    (Note: this is the same CoC-certified Clay Edgin I referenced earlier)
    Last edited by MixmasterNash; 08-23-2005 at 04:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    I have explained how grippers can be a valuable tool (not the best) yet you keep telling me that this and that expert says differently. I'm sure they have gone into a bit of detail as to why they are not so effective. But you haven't told me. You've just quoted and quoted and then told me that I'm wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    The reasons for their positions are simple, physiological ones: You train isometric strength by developing isometric strength, not dynamic strength. The notion that holding grippers closed is comparable to bar gripping is simply wrong, as the torque action of a bar is significantly dfferent from the spreading action of a gripper; indeed, such static closes are, as I have quoted grip experts as saying, of "limited" use.
    Should I also explain the energy systems differences between isometric and dynamic contraction while we're at it? Geez.

    Note to all: If Brookfield says something is so regarding grip strength, you should listen to him, as he is right and has been proven right 99.99% of the time, and is the most respected grip guy in the world.

    Bill Kazmaier once said, "I was strong, BUT JOHN IS STRONG."

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    lol @ MrEl. I'm going to do both gripper work and thick bar static holds. But no one has answered my question yet:

    "Also, I've heard from some guys on another board that when doing Farmer's Walks it's best to walk in zig-zags because this causes you to have to stabilize the dumbbells more with your arms and body, resulting in a better overall workout or something like that? How do you do it?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatrb38
    I try to visualize that my girlfriend is under the weight and I have to push the weight up to save her. Of course it doesn't work and I just laugh as I think about the weight slowly crushing her bones. Then I remember it's me under the weight and give 200% effort to push it back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixationdarknes
    "Also, I've heard from some guys on another board that when doing Farmer's Walks it's best to walk in zig-zags because this causes you to have to stabilize the dumbbells more with your arms and body, resulting in a better overall workout or something like that? How do you do it?"

    Anyone, anyone?
    Doesn't matter that much. Spin in circles like a monkey for extra excitement!

    Basically, more instability means that it's harder to grip. You can make it harder to grip by adding more motion or using heavier weights.

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    Should I also explain the energy systems differences between isometric and dynamic contraction while we're at it? Geez.
    No, just use your own words. Which I'm asuming you did in the bottom portion of your last post. If you're going to convince me that my line of thinking should be corrected tell me, don't use quotes from other people. It does nothing for me.

    Note to all: If Brookfield says something is so regarding grip strength, you should listen to him, as he is right and has been proven right 99.99% of the time, and is the most respected grip guy in the world.
    I don't agree with this line of thinking at all. Respect is one thing, learning to think for yourself is another. I addressed this in my last posts so I won't bother repeating myself.
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    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    "Also, I've heard from some guys on another board that when doing Farmer's Walks it's best to walk in zig-zags because this causes you to have to stabilize the dumbbells more with your arms and body, resulting in a better overall workout or something like that? How do you do it?"

    In terms of athletic training this is a cool exercise. It allows for the hips and torso to be engaged to a greater degree all the while increasing the difficulty of gripping the weight. So basically, as Mix said, "the more instability the harder it is," which can be applied to sporting movements.
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    "Soli Deo Gloria"
    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

    "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
    The Art of Judo

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatrb38
    I try to visualize that my girlfriend is under the weight and I have to push the weight up to save her. Of course it doesn't work and I just laugh as I think about the weight slowly crushing her bones. Then I remember it's me under the weight and give 200% effort to push it back up.

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    I don't mean to be pushy, but I really think that if you just try to do as many sets as possible with an overhand grip and then switch to a mixed grip when you start using your grip, you won't need to do much more than that.

    You can get fancy. You can buy grippers. You can do farmer's walk. You can do rack pulls and thick bar work. It never hurts to have a stronger grip. BUT, I really doubt you need any of that yet.

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