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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    (sled) dragging / pulling

    wondering where to get a harness / strap type thing to attach to myself so i can drag stuff. saw something about dragging a tire in anthony's journal that sounded cool.

    i've been off the boards and out of the gym for a month or two now (working like 60 hrs/ week...), and am beginning again today. i'm down to 154 right now, and it's depressing..

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    elitefts.com sells them

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    There is no need for special equipment to get fit. Try running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    There is no need for special equipment to get fit. Try running.

    I agree w. you Nash, but there is GPP and then there is GPP... Running is fine and it will raise your work capacity, but sled dragging would raise your work capacity and be hitting more muscle groups that you will be using for lifting.

    A sled doesn't have to be expensive. It can be made pretty easily (you could just drag a plate(s) w. a rope if you wanted to) and it is a pretty versatile piece of equipment.
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    Do you understand the point of GPP? Do you want to pull a sled to pull a sled, or do you want to improve your work capacity? Have you thought about all of the cheaper, easier alternatives to sled pulling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    Do you understand the point of GPP? Do you want to pull a sled to pull a sled, or do you want to improve your work capacity? Have you thought about all of the cheaper, easier alternatives to sled pulling?
    Cheaper, but without a much greater overload capacity(without the injury risks of something like running) + a sled workout takes much less time than running would, depending on the type of running of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xMeat_Headx
    Cheaper but with a much greater overload capacity(without the injury risks of something like running) + a sled workout takes much less time than running would, depending on the type of running of course.
    exactly. my favorite alternative at this point is hill sprints, and i hate hill sprints

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    by the way, what does gpp mean? i've seen it like 5 times today and don't ever remember seeing that before

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    General Physical Preparedness. It's just a fancy way to describe what we did as kids ... run around playing cops and robbers, bike for hours, play baseball, frisbee, go swimming .... all before lunch. Try doing that now and you'll get your ass kicked (at least I would). So we use "gpp" exercises to gradually build up our work capacity. You don't HAVE to pull a sled, but it's one of the best gpp exercises I've done. Hell, shoveling snow is considered gpp. Just use your imagination.

    As for the original question, you don't need a harness, although they would be ideal. Just tie the rope around your waist or wear a weight belt and tie the rope around that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    General Physical Preparedness. It's just a fancy way to describe what we did as kids ... run around playing cops and robbers, bike for hours, play baseball, frisbee, go swimming .... all before lunch.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    That's about it. Basically ANYTHING physical can be used as GPP when tweaked a certain way.
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    so you want to be anchored at the waist ideally then?

    i know one powerlifter, who i have never even lifted with, and have never actually been around this stuff. i wanted some kind of 'gpp' type activity, as i'm only doing boxing right now, and wanted more varietey.

    so your suggestion would be just get a rope, a weight belt, and a tire or somethign to drag? this may be a stupid question, but can someone my size get a car in neutral rolling?

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    Where you anchor the rope will depend on what's comfortable to you. See how it feels.

    If you are going to drag a tire, get some boards to put inside and pile on some sandbags. The tire won't be heavy enough - assuming you're using a normal car tire.

    As for pushing the car ... give it a shot!!
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    when you say give it a shot, do you mean that it could work, or are you saying that sarcastically? i really can't determine if it's feasible or not... i'm pretty sure i can get my car rolling when in neutral by pushing it, but don't want to figure out a way of hjooking **** up so i can drag it if it's gonna be a wastee of time. anyone ever try that before? i figure it would be cool since 1)i wouldn't have to carry a tire with me to a parking lot, which means i can stop whenever i want and do this, and 2)i can crank my stereo up and leave my keys in the ignition, since i'll only be a few feet from the car.

    ya i read about your tire setup in your journal, if i don't try the car thing i'll go with the tire, it's just i have a small apartment, and don't want a tire just chilling in my living room.... and don't have room in my car to keep it, so if pulling my car on a flat surface is feasible it will be way more convenient

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    I doubt you can pull the car via rope, but you should be able to push it around a flat parking lot. We push the jeep around once in awhile, and it sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    I doubt you can pull the car via rope, but you should be able to push it around a flat parking lot. We push the jeep around once in awhile, and it sucks.
    i disagree.... i just went, and it ruled! i love it... i'm not even gonna bother trying with a harness, i just went to a parking lot, pulled my gym shoes out of the trunk, cranked the stereo and threw it in neutral. you push it until it gets going, then go to the other end and start over. so glad i tried this

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    Getting a car moving isn't hard. Getting it to stop is the problem.

    Thanks.

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    It's cheaper to pull a homemade sled than it is to run. All you need is a rope and a some weight. If you were to run, you'd want to invest in some quality running shoes. For pulling a sled all you need are some cheap cross trainers.
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    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    id still recommend some good running shoes, it could be all the difference when it comes to foot/knee pain

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    In terms of ankle support, maybe. However cross trainers should do the job just fine. If you're talking about compressive forces, then I don't agree. Running shoes are meant to absorb the shock from running on the pavement and or long runs.

    I figure most people pull a sled maybe no more then 100 meters before stopping, maybe a bit further however this only repeated several times a week, while most people run quite a bit more, much further and for a longer period of time.

    Anyways, who cares. If you want to invest in running shoes go nuts. I'm simply saying that I don't think it's that big of a deal.
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    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    anyone know any other alternative exercises like this one? anything in general to add newness to my routine (besides farmer's walks, maybe something upper body oriented?)

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    Overhead support walks, zercher walks, walking with a shouldered sandbag. Sand is way cheap.

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    Sand bag training is really big right now or should I say it will be.
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    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

    "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
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    I'd say sandbags are a gimmick, but for the fact that it's the cheapest weight you can get besides some rocks. Kettlebells and such are definately a gimmick because they're expensive.

    Still, I'm going to buy a $100 olympic bar set because sandbags are a grip and leverage limited way to train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    Kettlebells and such are definately a gimmick because they're expensive.
    Ever since I saw Anatoly Kharpaty's coach challenge him to hoist a kettlebell in training on a clip that was on tv during the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics, I've always wanted a kettlebell... Someday I will buy one just because of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    I'd say sandbags are a gimmick, but for the fact that it's the cheapest weight you can get besides some rocks. Kettlebells and such are definately a gimmick because they're expensive.

    Still, I'm going to buy a $100 olympic bar set because sandbags are a grip and leverage limited way to train.
    ya you def still gotta have an olympic bar....

    i laughed when i saw kettlebells, they're just oddly shaped overpriced dumbbells. not sure i understand what they do that dumbbells don't

    so what do you do with a sandbag, just carry it around? throw it? what kind of bag do you use, i assume it needs to be crazy strong
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