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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Low-Carb Dieting

    How many grams of Carbs a day would be considered a low-carb diet?

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    Anything under 100g carbs/day is considered a "low carb diet" in the literature, I believe.

    However, if you want fast glycogen depletion or a state of deep ketosis, you can take carbs as low as 30g or even lower. It all depends on what your goals are for the diet period. A lot of cyclical diets use extremely low carbs as part of the cycle.
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    You'll know when you're feeling really crappy and your workouts are no longer productive.

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    If you decide to do this, Randy, track on www.fitday.com, and make SURE you keep your fats no lower than 0.5g/lb LBM - probably higher. I got about 65% of my calories from fat when I low-carbed. Worked like a hot damn - appetite STOPPED, and I lost a bunch of weight. At first. But it DID stay off. It's a very easy way to diet.

    And unlike Holto, I didn't feel crappy on low carb. I felt great, in fact. You just don't get a pump when you train.

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    built- what sort of things did you eat to get your fat that high??
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    Natural peanut butter, steak, olive oil, butter, egg yolks, raw nuts (walnuts, almonds, pecans), avocados, fish oil capsules Ö trust me, it's easy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Built
    And unlike Holto, I didn't feel crappy on low carb
    Please don't put words in my mouth. I have never gone low carb. I find it far too easy to lose weight without resorting to drastic approaches. I have worked with hundreds of low-carb dieters over the years and many of them described themselves as feeling terrible.

    I do realize *however* that there is a right way and a wrong way to go low carb.

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    what would be the wrong way to low-carb diet?
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    The wrong way: low fat.

    Unless you're doing PSMF BY THE BOOK.

    Whatever you do, if you try to do a low carb diet, follow a program. Don't try to wing it.

    I did Atkins, and I did it BY THE BOOK. It worked like a hot damn. But what Atkins IS and what people THINK Atkins is appear to be two very different things. On Atkins, I ended up eating more vegetables than most vegetarians I know.

    There are perfectly healthy ways to eat lower carb. I do it all the time - I carb cycle.

    But do some reading before you try it. If you're going to bother doing an "extreme" diet, you deserve to do it properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capn crunch
    what would be the wrong way to low-carb diet?
    See Built's post she is 'The Low Carb Guru' and one of the few that has a body to show for it.

    I honestly think she is the only woman I know that low carbed and is under 200lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Built
    If you're going to bother doing an "extreme" diet, you deserve to do it properly.
    I'm glad we agree that it's extreme. This is the one of two reasons I'm against it. The second reason is because it does not produce more rapid fat loss than any other diet at the same cals.

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    I was very nearly over 200 lbs - I had gained 30 lbs in two years on my former lowfat diet. I was literally blowing up like a balloon - gaining over 5 lbs a month toward the end before I started Atkins.

    It would have happened within a matter of months.

    Low carb dieting works very well if you happen to be unlucky enough to have insulin resistance. My "high" carb days now rarely go much higher than about a gram of carb per pound bodyweight.

    And my weight loss wasn't all that fast - it took me just under a year to drop 25 lbs.

    Fell off slowly and comfortably. It was like a miracle. But again, I followed the stages of Atkins to the letter. And I know many, many people who had similar results. Just depends where you look.

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    Just to add to the examples and diversity (different things work for different people), I cut at 445g carbs per day (190lbs)

    So to the original poster, "low" can vary from person to person.

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    It really can.

    If your metabolism is functioning properly, you won't have the insulin problems that a higher-carb approach will bring (ie HUNGER).

    If you find carbs make you freaking HUNGRY, well, you may find a lower carb diet helpful for controlling appetite.

    Ultimately, it all comes down to maintaining a caloric deficit. The more comfortable you are while you do this, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Built
    It really can.

    If your metabolism is functioning properly, you won't have the insulin problems that a higher-carb approach will bring (ie HUNGER).

    If you find carbs make you freaking HUNGRY, well, you may find a lower carb diet helpful for controlling appetite.

    Ultimately, it all comes down to maintaining a caloric deficit. The more comfortable you are while you do this, the better.
    I totally agree with Built here. For me especially, I can eat almost 3000 calories in a sitting if it's high in carbs, like for instance one night, my father made homemade pizza and spaghetti and meatballs, and I ate a full pizza and 4 huge bowls of pasta. But when I don't eat tons of carbs, I can't eat near as much.
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    Hey randy, check out this article, it's interesting reading - "Anabolic Diet" - it's a little extreme, however, recommending 35/5/60 protein/carb/fat, similar to what built is saying I believe

    http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....cle=body_69eat

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    I've been doing ckd snce the beginning of August. My ratios are 60% fat, 35% protein and 5% carbs (mostly green leafy vegs). So far I've lost about 9 lbs, and 2" from my waist. Because I'm insulin resistant (oh bull**** to "insulin resistant"... it's diabetes), I can't really tolerate carbs. In fact, my glucose tolerance test shows me to have impaired glucose tolerance.

    Anyway, an ultra low carb diet can really work for some people. I don't feel crappy at all. In fact, I'm getting by on less sleep, and my performance in the gym is actually improving. Sure, I love oatmeal, rice, pasta, sweet potatoes, whole grain stuff, but I am limited to small amounts of those on my weekend recarb. If I eat anything high glycemic like cakes or pastries, etc. I am blown up for days. But I have a pasta meal on Saturday night, and another clean carb meal Sunday morning, and I am good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur
    I've been doing ckd snce the beginning of August. My ratios are 60% fat, 35% protein and 5% carbs (mostly green leafy vegs). So far I've lost about 9 lbs, and 2" from my waist. Because I'm insulin resistant (oh bull**** to "insulin resistant"... it's diabetes), I can't really tolerate carbs. In fact, my glucose tolerance test shows me to have impaired glucose tolerance.

    Anyway, an ultra low carb diet can really work for some people. I don't feel crappy at all. In fact, I'm getting by on less sleep, and my performance in the gym is actually improving. Sure, I love oatmeal, rice, pasta, sweet potatoes, whole grain stuff, but I am limited to small amounts of those on my weekend recarb. If I eat anything high glycemic like cakes or pastries, etc. I am blown up for days. But I have a pasta meal on Saturday night, and another clean carb meal Sunday morning, and I am good to go.
    So how do fruits fit into a diet like this? Seems like you couldn't afford to have any, other than maybe some berries.

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    You don't generally get a lot of fruit on a ketogenic diet, but you do get to eat lots of vegetables, and vegetables are more nutrient-dense than fruit anyway. And you're correct, you DO get to eat some berries. Also avocados and peppers, which are both actually fruit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba booey
    So how do fruits fit into a diet like this? Seems like you couldn't afford to have any, other than maybe some berries.
    What Built said.

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    I'm thinking of trying it, but I'll miss my bananas - oh well, such is the price of dedication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holto
    I honestly think she is the only woman I know that low carbed and is under 200lbs.
    Never really thought about it, but this is true for me also. None of the whales I know on atkins actually eat vegetables though. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Built
    If they're not eating vegetables, they aren't doing Atkins.

    LOL@whales!

    What if you don't like vegatables?

    Let me rephrase that.

    What if you absolutely deplore vegatables?

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