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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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  1. #1
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    Could you guys list some exercises for strength core training? I read in another thread Mr. A said medicine ball training, stability ball work, and bodyblade etc were great exercises. Could you guys explain how to do this exercises in more detail?

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    Olympic lifts build core strength better than just about anything else. But you'll need good core strength to perform them! If you lift heavy in the big lifts, and do heavy assistance work for your lower back, ab complex, obliques, and hips, you'll be in good shape. You may want to try some gymnast type crap to test your core strength, too.

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    Nowadays the whole buzz on "core stability" has gone overboard. Experts have made a lot of people believe they have some sort of existing "core" problem and that they are doomed to back pain and postural problems.

    Alot of this so called core strengthening has been used by Physiotherapists in clinical settings. It's one thing to strengthen the core on a bench and another to transfer it over to dynamic conditions such as weightlifting and sports.

    All I'm saying is, don't get caught up in something that is so widely promoted,there is always a way that it will be taken and twisted by those who are looking to profit by it.

    I would suggest working on first perfecting the movement of whatever your doing, then work on your balance and coordination using the pieces of equipment MR A mentioned. Use things like sissel pads to stand on and once you can stand on them and not lose your balance start standing on one leg. Then try body squats on them and move onto doing weighted squats etc.....

    There are many ways to build core strenght. Don't get me wrong, working the transverse and multifidus (which is usually referred by therapists as the inner unit along with the deep muscles of the pelvis and the diaphragm) should be performed by certain individuals. However it's not the only way. Multi plane training will assist in recruiting your core muscles. Performing a one legged deadlift or kneeling deadlifts off a swiss ball are advanced exercises but if you can work up to them you will be a stronger person.
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    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

    "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
    The Art of Judo

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    Mac, are you saying that core strengthing isn't neccessary or is? IMO, for someone that hasn't lifted before or in a long time this is a great way to get started. I do it for my clients and have noticed it helps out quit a bit.
    I also use core stability exercises for myself. The main reason I use them is I'm a firm believer in NOT using a belt. And now that I'm able to squat the same amount as I used to when I used a belt I'm finding that a stornger core is super helpful.
    btw, what's up mutha fu! You should come down here for Emerald Cup! It's on April 20 and FlexB is going to be competing in it. I on the other hand wussed out, hehehe.

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    Mac is not saying that core strength is not important. He's just saying that people have gone overboard in this emphasis on "core-strength". If you have a solid weightlifting routine, squat without a belt, do ab work, and have no real physical problems, your core strength is probably fine, especially if you're a bodybuilder. There are alot of coaches out there that blame everything on core-strength. Can't squat right? Oh, must be weak 'core-strength'. Bad posture? Core strength. Bad form? Core strength. It's just a vague, overused term that people throw around alot.

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    As far as core strengthening goes you can listen to me now for free or pay me later Generally, bodybuilders have terrible core strength. Working your abs does not cut it. If you were building a large house would you build a strong base first? Or would you build the house first , wait for it the breakdown...then begin building a base?

    Mac, a walking lunge is a core exercise...it is a sport specific exercise for track athletes. In this exercise the body integrates as a unit. Are you saying that you don't think that the lunge would help a track athlete? Or that it's not functional? Do you think you could improve stride length with this functional exercise? Do you think that it would improve prioprioception? Can you think of any circumstances that this exercise could help a serious bodybuilder?

    My suggestion to everyone is to learn as much as possible. Experiment...and find what works best for you. I will do the same

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    Core does not necasarily mean working the trunk
    Mac Sloan

    I'm assuming this is what you are refferring to Mr A.

    I was refferring to the shoulder girdle,scapula movers and stabilizers and the rotator cuff muscles.

    In this exercise the body integrates as a unit. Are you saying that you don't think that the lunge would help a track athlete? Mr A

    No thats not what I'm saying but I never said the lunge was not a functional exercise?I do beleive that it would aid in increasing his or her performance.

    Or that it's not functional?

    I wonder what the true definition of functional is?
    So many "experts defined it in their own words that there seems to be many descriptions.

    Do you think you could improve stride length with this functional exercise?

    Yes!

    Do you think that it would improve prioprioception?

    Propriopception pretaining to what?

    Can you think of any circumstances that this exercise could help a serious bodybuilder?

    Increasing ones Squat poundages?


    Buff, like I said I beleive it works but.......is it something that is absolutely nessacary?


    I also use core stability exercises for myself. The main reason I use them is I'm a firm believer in NOT using a belt. And now that I'm able to squat the same amount as I used to when I used a belt I'm finding that a stornger core is super helpful.

    What do you definne as being the "core" and what exercises are these that you use to strengthen your "core"?

    BTW in April I am extremely busy with work.
    I wanted to come down but don't think it's gonna happen.
    I see you got a new job,at least your doing something you have a passion for,instead of a desk job.
    One day I'll come down and we can chill Hook me up with a free workout
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    "Soli Deo Gloria"
    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

    "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
    The Art of Judo

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    Mac:

    Kinda had a hard time following your post. But, when you talk about stabilizing the scapula or working the glenohumeral stabilizers of the shoulders you are talking about training a "secondary core". This is extremely important for athletes and bodybuilders. Core strength does not just mean the trunk as I think you stated. The trunk is just considered the "primary core". Personally, I would never underestimate the importance of the "primary" or "secondary" core. The people that do are the one's that pay me later...I should have your tape next week. The video list is impressive...talk to you later!

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