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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Chin-Ups with weight added, What do you guys think !?

    Lately ive become really good at chin-ups smashing 3sets of 10 easily. I found this thing that you wrap around yourself and can hold weights on it to make the chin-ups harder. I dont do many upper back exercises, well really only chin-ups and bb rows, but im looking to get a big upper back. Has any1 had good gains from doing weighted chin-ups by adding more weight all the time to them? heres the thing - http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/griz/grizfbelt.html

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    yeah its called a dip belt. Well at least thats what most use it for. How about instead of chin ups...some pullups?

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    I thought chin-ups were the best. Are pull ups just when your palms are facing the opposite way im not 2 sure..

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    Pullups are a wider grip palms facing away from you. Your hands should be should width or a little more apart. It works your lats as opposed to your...uhmmm lol well I'm not exactly sure what a chin up works.

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    Biceps and traps? That's where I feel close grip underhand chins the most anyways. I use them now to replace barbell curls. Leave my biceps totally baked.
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    Weighted chinups and pullups are the best upper body exercises.

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    That belt is definately a good investment. I can't believe how many gyms don't even have these things. You could also try holding a dumbell between your legs, I find the belt a lot easier though.

    I also find my weighted pullups difficult to maintain. Sometimes I can get 10 reps with +15lbs some days I barely get 8 reps with bodyweight.

    I'm not sure what your intentions are with chinups but try switching to pullups(palms away from you, shoulder width grip) they are more difficult and work the muscles differently (more emphasis on the lats).

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    Thanks guys. I also do close grip underhand chins. Didnt realise it was the best upper back exercise, happy with that.

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    Keep doing the rows too, though. Also, try some T-Bar rows.

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    what you should do is different variations of pullups, chin up, and the neutral grip chinups. Don't just give up with regular chin ups. Go wide with the pronated grip. (Palms facing away from your face) This is the hardest level of pull up. But key is how you do it, The tempo. Go up fast but pause at the top for 2-3 seconds and when you come down go slow. count a 1,2,3 and repeat. Do the same tempos with the other grips. As you get stronger you can pause longer and come down even slower. This is how you destroy your lats! After you feel you've made some good improvements and are slowing in progress you may wanna try some weighted pullups.

    But don't forget about your machine rows, bb rows, db rows, lat pulldowns, ext..
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    Yeah I use a dip belt for pull-ups and have seen excellent gains. Went from bodyweightx7 about 3 months ago to bodyweight+25x8. I think I can now do over 15 reps of my own bodyweight.
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    waynis - Sounds good i'l try some new things out.

    fatrb38 - Sounds good. I'm gonna order it on wednesday, pretty cheap aswell.

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    Ok, let me get this right........pull-ups, are when your palms are facing away and shoulder width apart, or just over.

    chin ups, are when the hands are supinated (facing you) and shoulder width apart.

    please explain to me how pull-ups work different areas of the muscle. as far as i know, you are still performing the same action but in a weaker position, because now the biceps brachii, which insert on the radial tuberosity, are in a less direct line of pull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsessivegrowth
    Ok, let me get this right........pull-ups, are when your palms are facing away and shoulder width apart, or just over.
    This is what most folks call a pull-up, correct. They can also be parallel grips.

    Quote Originally Posted by obsessivegrowth

    chin ups, are when the hands are supinated (facing you) and shoulder width apart.
    Shoulder width, or narrower. Correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by obsessivegrowth
    please explain to me how pull-ups work different areas of the muscle. as far as i know, you are still performing the same action but in a weaker position, because now the biceps brachii, which insert on the radial tuberosity, are in a less direct line of pull.
    Dunno. I just know I can do more chinups than pullups. I feel my biceps more for chins - I imagine they give more of an assist in this position.

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    Well, I guess since they force less emphasis on the bi's, the weight that the biceps were pulling is now working a different muscle(s). That's my take on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Built
    Dunno. I just know I can do more chinups than pullups. I feel my biceps more for chins - I imagine they give more of an assist in this position.

    i think what you said is basically affirming my point. you can do more chin-ups because you have a more direct line of pull. pull-ups are the same movement, without a direct line of pull, so you cant do as many. By my reasoning, then, if you can do more reps in a stronger position, then you could add more weight, which in turn means you would benefit more?

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    Do both! Yes, most people can do slighty more with chinups. because the bicep is in a much stronger position. A pullup is more functional for climbing purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    Weighted chinups and pullups are the best upper body exercises.


    No doubt about it in my mind. Chin-ups and dips are the squat and deadlift of the upper body.

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    spencerjrus - Sounds right, but arnt u forgetting something ?


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    Bench is overrated for upper body development, IMHO. I can't do bench right now because of my rotator cuff, and I seriously haven't noticed a problem with my upper body development in its absence.

    Chins and dips have served me well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    Weighted chinups and pullups are the best upper body exercises.
    This makes no sense considering they don't hit the "upper body". They hit portions of it.


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    I thought chinups and pullups hit every upper body muscle in some way. With the exception of abdominals and lower back.

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    Don't they hit the abdominals?

    Something I did differently on Friday bashed the hell out of my abs. Since the only 'new' excercises I added were pull-up negatives and assisted close grip chins I was sure one of them was the culprit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOBART
    I also find my weighted pullups difficult to maintain. Sometimes I can get 10 reps with +15lbs some days I barely get 8 reps with bodyweight.
    Funny I should read this. Usually I can do 4-5 sets of my own body weight x 10. However, today I felt as if I could barely get myself up to the bar doing on 3 sets of my own body weight x 8. Is this a normal thing? Possibly just me being fatigued?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Built
    Bench is overrated for upper body development, IMHO. I can't do bench right now because of my rotator cuff, and I seriously haven't noticed a problem with my upper body development in its absence.

    Chins and dips have served me well.
    You can do dips with a screwed rotator cuff??

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