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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Benching problem..

    Ok first off im new here, more importatly I have been stationary at my bench press for about 2 months. I can rep 155 5 times and thats it, next set maby MABY 4 but probably 3. Yes I have been here forever and it is really pissing me off. I eat lots of meats and get way over my daily value of protein and workout every other day, enough time to recover right? yes i have tried everything, does ANYONE have any ideas. I need to get this up for wrestling and definatly football. Another thing, there are people in my weight training class that have absolutely NO pecs at all and rep 165 or more 3 sets of 5 easy.. I just dont understand. They look so small and yet they can bench more than me so therfor in their minds im weaker. anyways... please help me people on this I need to get this up fast. The rest of my body im not worried about I can surpass most of the strongest people at my school in curling. And squats have been going up fast.

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    maybe a new routine would do you some good? what does your current routine look like?

    btw what is your weight training class?
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    My weight training class is the class I take at school, I have it at 8 in the morning.

    Well usually I try to mix my routines up because thats what I have heard works best so your body doesnt get used to the same one. Sometimes I will do 3x3 or somedays 4x4 or 3x5. Usually low reps because I think thats better for strength than tone.
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    i think your overtrainning, you said you workout every other day? does that mean that you work your chest every other day as well?
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    switch to incline for 2 weeks then go back to flat
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    Natetaco.. we need more info on your training...
    Are you just doing Flat Benches?
    Any Dips/Triceps work?
    Inclines or Decline Benches?
    How about DBs?

    And don't count out higher reps once in a while..
    mixing it up means different type of exercises.. different number of sets.. different number of reps... WO to WO..

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    8 in the morning i think your problem would be a nice meal before hand.. just cuz most hs students eat nothing much for breakfast.. try working your lats and triceps
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    Like they said above try switching it up. In highschool I had a similar problem, my bench was stuck at 135-145 for about a year. 3 years later here I am starting to lift again and within 2 months its gone from 145 for 4 reps to 185 for 4 reps. Personally I believe my success was food, training different ways (DB for a month, dips for a month, now starting flat bench for a month). Last thing is I vary my workouts, I think back in highschool my body got use to the same thing every other day.

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    Use more weight for fewer reps, that always works for me as long as I'm eating. If I'm stuck on say 275 for 5 and I can't do anymore, I'll try 285 and get maybe 3 or 4, the next week I'll try 285 and probably get 5 or 6, and the plateau is gone. It's usually that easy, as long as I'm eating enough calories

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    if youre not gaining youre not eating enough

    that is something i'd put money on

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    Solid calories are the most important thing if you want to increase strength.

    Eating is 70% of it.

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    Hey guys.. read Natetaco's full post... he is making gains in other areas - Squat & curling.. so it doesn't sound like a eating issue...

    If one area is not improving while other areas are.. then nutrients are NOT the issue.. it's has to be because of the WOs for that bodypart.. either the effort is not there - which doesn't look to be the case.. or the bodypart has adjusted to the exercises that are being performed..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearwolfden
    Hey guys.. read Natetaco's full post... he is making gains in other areas - Squat & curling.. so it doesn't sound like a eating issue...

    If one area is not improving while other areas are.. then nutrients are NOT the issue.. it's has to be because of the WOs for that bodypart.. either the effort is not there - which doesn't look to be the case.. or the bodypart has adjusted to the exercises that are being performed..
    Didnt read that part. Thats pretty odd then.

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    try decline and incline, but like russianrocket said, maybe ur over training

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    sounds like a training problem maybe change your rep range. when do you train chest on its own after or before something. also work on triceps as this really help your bench
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    Post your routine, what exercises you do, how many reps, how much weight and in what order you do each exercise.

    Are you stuck at a specific part of a bench press? Is one part of it harder than the other? Working on partials may be effective for you.

    Bench press is a compound exercise, there are a lot of muscles being used in order to complete the exercise. Would help to know if those other muscles are holding you back .

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    Without knowing your workout, and frequency, then it could be a number of things.

    Off the top of my head, I would suggest switching to DB's for a few weeks, working other muscles that assist in bench, such as tris, anterior delts, and lats. Maybe going to inclines for a little while would be good. Overtraining could also be the issue. I hope you're not working chest every other day. That right there could be the problem if you are.
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    ok let me answer these questions.

    My diet: I drink a protein shake a day (usually) eat lean meats, beans, corn, pasta and take a multivitamin. Im pretty sure my diet is good. Oh yeah and Working out in 8 in the morning I cant stand, i dont get hungry till about 10 and haveing no food= no energy so yeah... but I should still go up, I work out at the ymca often and in wrestling do well over 100 of pushups a day (all the way to the ground)

    My usual workout": usually I do flat bench first, a warmup set, maby 100 pnds. Then I do a minimum of 4 sets of 5, usually 5 sets of 8 7 6, or 4 sets of 5 4 3 and pyramid it. I pretty much have a slightly different flat bench workout everytime, but i keep the intensity up and always go to failure. After that 1/4 of the time I go to incline and do 3 sets of 5 on that. Then I move to tri's, first do cable press downs, 3 sets of 10 8 6 reps while increasing weight everyset. Then do eather close bench or skull crushers 3 sets of 10 or somewhere in that region, then finish with 3 sets of dips. Reps i cannot tell you on the dips, depends on how tired I am. Then go to abbs. But that is my chest and tricep day. I do pullups and chinups to get my lats once a week and do military press about once a well also. So in all I get at least ALL muscles related to bench press in once a week. and even though curls dont really matter I do them pretty much every workout. And for my weight training class it is manditory to do bench everyday or else i get a 0 for participation so I cant stop doing bench really

    The dumbells: Occasionjally i will do the dumbbell bench press right after my regular bench instead of doing incline. Also i dont like decline because it just seems way to easy and it doesnt feel like it works nearly as much as incline or reg.


    Im pretty sure im not overtraining, i mean i will work bench every other day SOMETIMES but not all the time. I get all muscle groups relating to bench in and eat perfectly heathly, My bodyfat is 7% and I can humanly only loose about 7 more pounds to even be safe. I weigh 145 or so.


    As for my other gains, my squat max has gone up about 40 pounds in 4 weeks. MAby im just getting better form i have no idea. my curls are working out. Powerclean getting better. But my bench has been stuck at maxing 180 since about 2 weeks after school started... in september. THIS SUCKS!!
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    It sounds like you need to get bigger and stronger overall. I would skip the pyramid and do the heaviest set first. And just because your diet is clean and high in protein doesn't mean it's high enough in calories to gain on. Are you gaining weight consistantly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natetaco
    they can bench more than me so therfor in their minds im weaker..

    Their thinking is flawed?
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    Im not getting heavier, and yes at my school all anyone asks is how much you can bench... so i have to have some reputation.
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    Eat more, alot more. Diet sounds lacking. Post your daily caloric intake and macros.

    Doing 100 pushups a day is doing nothing but wear your out and prevent growth. Benching 3 times a week or more is also overtraining.

    So, bench less, eat more, get bigger.
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    yes I bench at least twice every 5 days, I would like to do that less but since the coach in my weight training class is an idiot i have no choice. And if i refuse to bench or work out every other day doing the exact same muscles then I will fail the class...

    and since i have wrestling 6 days a week we do 3 sets of 30 seconds non stop pushups at the biggening of practice and 3 sets of 30 seconds at the end for conditioning
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    You're working out for other people's recognition. You're going to get no where with that attitude.
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