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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    do people think of bodybuilding as more of a sport or a modelling comp?

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    Well, if this hasn't been beaten to death already, it should be a pretty interesting and heated discussion.

    My personal opinion is that bodybuilding is a beauty pageant. That is not a dig against anyone who is a bodybuilder. I respect their discipline a great deal and they train as hard if not harder than any athlete. BUT, although the contests do require a degree of muscle control and creativity, there is little athleticism involved on the posing stage. Ultimately, it is who looks the best, not about who gives the best performance or trains the hardest.

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    You could look at it as the training is a sport like any other however the contest could be lookd on as a bit of modeling
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    Models get paid more. Only the top tier of bodybuilders get real cash from endorsements. It's a lifestyle, a hobby for enthusiasts, and a business for the inlcined and capable. Nothing more.

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    A definition of Sport: An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
    (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition)

    I'd say the training fulfills this for sure. As far as the onstage stuff... I'd think it would be decently hard work to flex as hard as you can and requires a fair amount of skill (ie; poses and how to flex).

    I've never competed but I'd call it a sport
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei

    My personal opinion is that bodybuilding is a beauty pageant. That is not a dig against anyone who is a bodybuilder. I respect their discipline a great deal and they train as hard if not harder than any athlete. BUT, although the contests do require a degree of muscle control and creativity, there is little athleticism involved on the posing stage. Ultimately, it is who looks the best, not about who gives the best performance or trains the hardest.
    i manage a vitamin store, and occasionally read mags, and they always make it seem like a sport, but never ever make fitness comps sseem like sport. it always seemed hippocritical (sp?), wanted to see what you guys thought.

    i think bodybuilding's great, but i don't see how it is any more of a sport than a miss america pageant. i mean they 'look' more athletic, but they really aren't (well, this is my understanding) even hugely 'athletic'. being that big is unhealthy, they take excesssive drugs, many aren't limber, and many aren't nearly as strong as they look. you could win the olympia even if you had the worst flexibility, couldn't bench anything respectable, and had major health issues.

    for miss america, their training leading up to the pagaent is very athletic just like bodybuilding, but by virtue of the preparation we don't call miss america an athlete, just like i don't call a calvin klein model an athlete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deeder
    A definition of Sport: An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
    (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition)

    I'd say the training fulfills this for sure. As far as the onstage stuff... I'd think it would be decently hard work to flex as hard as you can and requires a fair amount of skill (ie; poses and how to flex).

    I've never competed but I'd call it a sport
    how would you call it sport based on that definition? that definition means that bodybuilding training/preparation is a sport, and that the actual competitions are not. it is a long stretch to say a bodybuilding contest requires physical exertion and skill like a 'realer' sport does.

    are all those who believe bodybuilding is a sport also in agreement taht a miss america pagaent is a sport?

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    I'm in 100% agreement with jazer, I dont think it's a sport either. However golf is a sport but you dont have to be "athletic" to play, but at least there is some physical activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazer80
    how would you call it sport based on that definition? that definition means that bodybuilding training/preparation is a sport, and that the actual competitions are not. it is a long stretch to say a bodybuilding contest requires physical exertion and skill like a 'realer' sport does.

    are all those who believe bodybuilding is a sport also in agreement taht a miss america pagaent is a sport?
    How come it means the competitions are not? Flexing = physical exertion... Realer? How about curling... It's undebatably a sport ... I'd say bodybuilders on stage exert themselves ALOT more than curlers... As far as skill; I may be pushing it.. But I'd say the training part makes up for that.. It takes skill to lift properly and one must lift properly to get big.
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    Yea but I bet the women in pageants also lift weights... in order to look that good, but that doesn't make beauty pageants a sport now does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gator
    Yea but I bet the women in pageants also lift weights... in order to look that good, but that doesn't make beauty pageants a sport now does it?
    But on stage they are just posing... Bodybuilders not only pose but flex the entire time too.. Even when they are walking they seem to be flexing.. The good ones can keep a smile on their face... But you can see the effort in most of their expressions...
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    Squat - 595lbs -- 270kg -- Dec. 31, '09 (Provincial Record @100kg class)
    Bench - 374lbs -- 170kg -- Dec 20, '08 (@100kg class)
    Dead - 589lbs -- 267.5kg -- Dec 20, '08 (Provincial Record @100kg class)
    Total: 1537lbs -- 697.5kg -- Dec 20, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)
    Bench Only -- 358lbs -- 162.5kg -- Nov. 25, '07 (Provincial Record @ 90kg class)
    Bench Only -- 376lbs -- 171kg -- Jan. 26, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)

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    Ugh... Maybe I should just give up and say it's not a sport... It seems most people think it's not...
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    Total: 1537lbs -- 697.5kg -- Dec 20, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)
    Bench Only -- 358lbs -- 162.5kg -- Nov. 25, '07 (Provincial Record @ 90kg class)
    Bench Only -- 376lbs -- 171kg -- Jan. 26, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)

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    I thought it was just an event to see who can make their package the smallest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElPietro
    I thought it was just an event to see who can make their package the smallest.
    LMFAO!!!!!
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    Bench Only -- 358lbs -- 162.5kg -- Nov. 25, '07 (Provincial Record @ 90kg class)
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    I don't see how the physical conditions of those competing can dictate whether or not BB is a sport. Baseball=sport, David Wells=fat-ass, yet the preceding remains true. Whether or not those who compete in any given comepition are healthy, 'athletic' in any sense of the word, or in something resembling 'good' [what ever the hell that means] shape, has nothing to do with some activity being a sport.

    Now D. Wells can do things I can't, I can't kill someone with a small ball of wound up twin and leather, he can. However I think, and I could be wrong, that I am more 'athletic' then him. I probably have a higher vertical, can run faster, have better lateral quickness, lower bf%, more stamina and so forth. Even if all this is not true of D. Wells and I, it is certinly true of some of the pro bowlers in this country, and that[bowling] seems to be considered a sport by many [note; not all consider bowling a sport, I understand this, however many do].

    It seems to me that if one is going to discuss some activity's qualifications for being 'sport' vs. 'compitition' or 'pagent', one should discuss the activitiy itself and not those involved in it. On this basis I think it would be true that if one is to consider BB'ing a sport one should probably consider beauty pagents a sport also. However a principaled distinction can be made in that the ONLY thing under consideration in BB is the physical specimen, while in most pagents there are also talent rounds, and 'dress' rounds where the clothing is also under consideration.

    I think before this question can be answered one needs to lay out the criteria for what is considered a sport, and once that is done, and only once that is done, can the question be answered.
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    I think it would be better to say the act of bodybuilding is more of a sport than competitions. However your not competing with anyone. I agree that counting bowling as a sport is pretty sketchy.

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    Does it really matter? I think its just a hobby. Like bowling, frisbee, and throwing a football. Now maybe if the weights could fight back at us while we were lifting it could be a sport. That would be funny to imagine. But i just think of it as a lifestyle/hobby and a profession for some. Like accounting or business.
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    Lifestyle/hobby, well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBC13
    Does it really matter? I think its just a hobby. Like bowling, frisbee, and throwing a football. Now maybe if the weights could fight back at us while we were lifting it could be a sport. That would be funny to imagine. But i just think of it as a lifestyle/hobby and a profession for some. Like accounting or business.
    I just assumed the topic was concerned with competitive bodybuilding, not training. Training, like jogging, is unquestionably not a sport - it is simply exercise and/or a hobby.

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    lifting weights is not a sport, its training

    a bb'ing comp. is not a sport, its modeling
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    You find bodybuilding books in the sports section...so...
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    You find a lot of BS in the philosophy section of bookstores also, but I don't think that actually means this is philosophy so ...
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    It's a sport, IMO.
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