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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Senior Member wrestlemaniac's Avatar
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    Recommended reading

    Hi everyone, I've been looking for some bodybuilding books to read and I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed. For the most part my knowledge of lifting has come from this site over the years but I'm looking to get a little more serious about my training (sorry, I don't mean that as an insult, this site definatly DOES have a library of great information). I don't really know where to start. I've got Arnold Schwarzenegger's encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding (of course... but that has very little merit to it) and Ken Kinakin's Optimal Muscle Training but thats pretty much it. Can anyone recommend where to start out? some good authors maybe? I am still lifting naturally so I'm leary of anything written by a pro though (unless someone recommends it). Right now I'm mostly interested in reading more about periodization but any advice is more than welcome. Thank you in advance.

    p.s. before someone says it : yes, I did search (and was actually shocked that I didn't find a thread like this already).

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    Just watch me ... Built's Avatar
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    Stuff that gets printed gets out of date pretty fast. You're probably better off just sticking to the boards.

    I posted this up a while ago on periodization - it's a sticky I wrote for another board where I mod:

    http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=70496

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    I'm interested in buying this. I know that Pavel is "trendy", but his books are easy to read and always insightful.

    Beyond Bodybuilding
    http://www.dragondoor.com/b31.html?l=4245336

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei
    I'm interested in buying this. I know that Pavel is "trendy", but his books are easy to read and always insightful.

    Beyond Bodybuilding
    http://www.dragondoor.com/b31.html?l=4245336
    I am going to get that book by Pavel.

    Authors I recommend are:

    1.Charles Poliquin

    2.Pavel Tsatsouline

    3.Bill Starr

    4.Paul Kelso

    5.Brooks Kubik

    6.Randall J. Strossen PhD

    www.ironmind.com is a great place to start looking for books on strength and lifting. Otherwise you can find all those authors on Amazon.com

    The one Author that I recommend the most is Charles Poliquin Hands down!
    www.charlespoliquin.com
    The difference between the freaks and the flock is the ****ing fork!
    You wanna gain weight? Then it's time to squat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingkrs
    I am going to get that book by Pavel.
    Let me know what you think of it. I'm still considering it, but can't make up my mind whether to get it or just buy a new bench shirt...
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Keys to Progress - John McCallum
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
    "You're wrong, and I have a completely irrelevant pubmed abstract that may or may not say so." - Belial
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    I have an extensive library of books, out of them I'd say the one I liked reading and enjoy referencing is "Facts and Fallacies of Fitness" by Dr Mel Siff.

    I'd also reccomend Ian King's "Get Buffed" book. I believe he has a number of them out which means the one I have is a bit outdated but still great none the less.
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    "Soli Deo Gloria"
    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

    "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
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    There's a ton of free stuff as well.

    Read everything by DJ, for starters: http://danjohn.org/gramp.html, especially http://danjohn.org/bp.pdf

    Then read every training article on t-nation for the past 5 years.

    The journal / I live here.

    If I were to start from scratch as a young 13 year old again, I would do every press, squat, and perhaps deadlifts, for my entire career with chains. -- Dan John

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    There's a ton of free stuff as well.

    Read everything by DJ, for starters: http://danjohn.org/gramp.html, especially http://danjohn.org/bp.pdf

    Then read every training article on t-nation for the past 5 years.
    DJ's articles are always great.

    T-Mag has some of the best articles. The hard part is sifting through all the rebottled wine...

    Like Paul said, Supertraining is a great book. Not light reading though.

    Dolfzine has some great stuff - some of it by the late Mel Siff http://www.dolfzine.com/page2.htm

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    I swear by Stuart McRobert's three excellent books that I read at least twice a year:

    Beyond Brawn
    Further Brawn
    Insider's Guide to Weight Training

    I have read a lot of muscle building books and magazines over 20 years and his books hands down are three of the best. His general philosophy revolves around him being a huge proponent of the Squat, Deadlift and Dips for getting huge along with eating in a caloric surplus. Hmm, sounds familiar to the general philosophy of most of the very experienced members of WBB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardToSquat
    I swear by Stuart McRobert's three excellent books that I read at least twice a year:

    Beyond Brawn
    Further Brawn
    Insider's Guide to Weight Training

    I have read a lot of muscle building books and magazines over 20 years and his books hands down are three of the best. His general philosophy revolves around him being a huge proponent of the Squat, Deadlift and Dips for getting huge along with eating in a caloric surplus. Hmm, sounds familiar to the general philosophy of most of the very experienced members of WBB.
    Ya i just finished reading beyond brawn, it make so much sence. Great book for anyone wanting to gain alot of size and strength.

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    I'll second the Insiders guide, as well as Maki's suggestion of Facts and Fallacies - I also refer to it pretty frequently - it's very easy to understand, and contains a great deal of information.

    I also suggest Supertraining, but it's a much tougher read.
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
    "You're wrong, and I have a completely irrelevant pubmed abstract that may or may not say so." - Belial
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    i bought Arnold's book. The bodybuilding encyclopedia i think it is, it has tons of info.
    Goals for the new year
    Bench - 250
    Squat - 325
    DL - 300
    Plus: lower bf% and a better looking me! =)

    currents:
    Bench - 185
    Squat - 250
    DL - 200

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    A great deal of it is worthless, though.
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
    "You're wrong, and I have a completely irrelevant pubmed abstract that may or may not say so." - Belial
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    that is true, it has a **** load on competitions which is worthless to me but it also has plenty of useful info.
    Goals for the new year
    Bench - 250
    Squat - 325
    DL - 300
    Plus: lower bf% and a better looking me! =)

    currents:
    Bench - 185
    Squat - 250
    DL - 200

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBX4Sho
    that is true, it has a **** load on competitions which is worthless to me but it also has plenty of useful info.
    some of the info in there is flat out crap.

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    most of the pictures in the book are nice to view, but that's about it
    You will soon see Getfit in OngII Flying Knee Thingys of Doom see if the feisty greek can survive the kicks of Steel Leg From Shaolin Soccer,Dim Mak(def touch) from ChungLee,and Flying Crane by Daniel-san-El Pietro

    Spray it with windex greek!-the famous El Pietro

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    Hey, sorry I haven't had time to respond to this sooner. Just wanted to say thanks to everyone. I've been looking on amazone.com to pick up alot of the material mentioned. Some of it's harder to find than others. I think I'm going to hold off on supertraining. I might purchase it along with some of the other books mentioned but I probably won't read it for a while. Anyway, thanks to everyone that posted. Also to built : I did read that article (probably when you first posted it) and it actually made me wanna get my hands on some reading material even worse... it was like "wow, I'm really slacking". Anyway, thanks again to everyone that posted.

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    Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe (sp)
    Facts and Fallacies of Fitness by Mel Siff
    Science and Practice of Strength Training by Zatisorsky

    Gavin Lairds Hypertrophy ebook is great and best book on hypertrophy bar none ever wrote.

    Kc

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrestlemaniac
    p.s. before someone says it : yes, I did search (and was actually shocked that I didn't find a thread like this already).
    Hey wrestlemaniac thanks for starting this thread - I tried searching for about 30minutes and nothing decent came up (unless I wanted to search through multiple theads for the occaisional mention of a book)!

    Thanks for posting everyone!!

    Also for something very basic I looked to Strength Training Anatomy by Frederick Delavier - I bought it for a class actually and it proved great for understand the movement of all the muscle groups. But it is basic none-the-less.
    I can resist everything except temptation.

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    Arnold's book is great, and is a must read for anyone even thinking about bodybuilding. I recently purchased this book: Extreme Muscle Enhancement by Carlon M. Colker. Check Amazon.com for this book. You can flip through pages in it and get a good idea of what your going to buy. This book is recommended by a lot of people and has great reviews. Check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by World-Is-Yours
    Arnold's book is great, and is a must read for anyone even thinking about bodybuilding.
    I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by World-Is-Yours
    Arnold's book is great, and is a must read for anyone even thinking about bodybuilding. .

    Only if you had his genes and steroids and even then you'd probably still make better progress on a routine similar to the WBB ones.

    A good amount of the information in that book (I leafed through it at a bookstore not long ago) is either flat out nonsense or not applicable to a natural.

    I'd go with the Stuart McRobert books or John McCallum myself.
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    Im not a big fan of books, i usually dont have time for them. I like to stick with muscle and fitness magazines. I love them. They have great diet, and workout information. I just picked up aprils issue. The only downside is that like all bodybuilding magazines its riddled with advertisements. For $6 bucks at borders, i think thats a steal for how much info. it contains.

    -jordan
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    Man magazines blow! they are all trying to sell you something. I have given up on magazines a long time ago.

    IMO books are better because you have the info right there. You don't have to wait for next months issue of "top ten mass secrets finally revealed" such crap!

    If you get good books on the subject then you are better off. Stay with proven coaches and authors. Not bodybuilding steroid freaks telling you do endless sets of curls and kickbacks.

    I have never seen a magazine tell their readers to do good mornings. Or how about power cleans, or power snatch. Just the dorky movements that look good in the mirror and do nothing to increase your functional capacity of strength!
    The difference between the freaks and the flock is the ****ing fork!
    You wanna gain weight? Then it's time to squat!

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