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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Nice vids.

    I liked the overhead squats, those look sick.

    Nice to see I'm not the only one who likes to squat in pants.
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    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

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    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei
    I'm just old-school-like-to-train-covered-up, I guess.
    lol I had my wife get me some sweats for christmas because I told her that's how the big guys on wbb roll. But there is no way in freakin hell I am squating in pants. I have a problem with clothes being constricting to my movements. They really aren't, it's just all in my head.
    So I just cover up the body parts I'm not working.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei
    I'll be checking your log - I'm sure you're well beyond that already.
    Oh, that's nice you thought I was joking. I'll let you know if I ever squat 200lbs.

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    You're already there IMHO - I commented in your log.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    I added the video of "Steve" squatting 500 for a double just because it makes me smile... http://media.putfile.com/steve500x273
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Low Box Squat (10" - 225 x 3, 315 x 3, 315 x 3) Video Clip: http://media.putfile.com/low-box-squat-315
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    That 500 pound squat is too funny.
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    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    That 500 pound squat is too funny.
    Isn't that scary? I really wonder if that high school weight room has any qualified supervision at all!
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    That poor bar and rack.

    They should have collapsed and taught him a lesson.

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    No doubt that if he had done one more rep, some of those plates would have flown off - sending him careening out of the rack!
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Here is a clip w. a set of power snatch and KB swings. Everything is really not the best - the snatch is "zero point extension" and the KB swings are a lot of lower back and 2 reps shy of 10! http://media.putfile.com/111806
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    What's the weight on those front squats? Couldn't quite tell, but it looked like the bar was pretty far forward and you were tipping forward a bit as a result.

    Why aren't you using your legs a lot more on the swings?

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    The front squats are w. 250 and my form was really bad. I'm weak and out of practice.

    Why aren't you using your legs a lot more on the swings?
    That would be because probably the same reason that I get zero extension on my snatches - I suck at them. Maybe it's "half-white man syndrome"... I don't know. I'll be working to improve them.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Here's a clip from yesterday's training - it includes GMs and windmills. My camera battery went dead halfway through my windmills. My form has improved quite a bit from the first time I did them: http://media.putfile.com/GMs--Windmills
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Most recent squat w. chains session. I also included a side chop exercise using PVC, climbing rope, and a lat pulldown machine.

    http://media.putfile.com/squat-w-chain--chop
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Thanks for posting up the different exercises.
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    Vid clips of Kettlebell Hang Clean & Press (53lbs x 10, 70lbs x 10) and GHR (x10, 25lbs x 10):
    http://media.putfile.com/kettlebell-...lean-and-press

    http://media.putfile.com/glute-ham-raise

    edit: btw, I know the hang clean form is awful...
    Last edited by Sensei; 05-12-2006 at 05:39 AM.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    How To Put On a Squat Suit Using Plastic Bags: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKYo219t58
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Overhead Squats: 135 x 2, 185 x 1, 225 x miss x 3, 205 x 1
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z4_nJ3Ln444
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Did that bar smack you in the back of the head?
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    It scraped a thin layer of skin off of my neck... My wife took a picture - I'll try to upload it this weekend.

    Normally I would have call it a day after something like that, but after reading that Sgt. Rock interview I couldn't let something like skin stand between me and a few more attempts...
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei
    It scraped a thin layer of skin off of my neck... My wife took a picture - I'll try to upload it this weekend.

    Normally I would have call it a day after something like that, but after reading that Sgt. Rock interview I couldn't let something like skin stand between me and a few more attempts...
    Hell yea brother, I gotta respect the determination. 205 looked great, 225 in due time. You will have your revenge!
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    and here I thought I was about to see you doing breakdance windmills.

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    Couple of things (only because we're an affliate of one of the leading KB guys in the nation)-


    Windmills- Try to get both feet pointed in a 45degree angle away from the kettlebell. For example, if the KB is extended overhead in your right hand, have your toes pointed 45degrees to the left. From here, kick your hips to the right, underneath the KB. Keep both legs straight. Now using your left hand, trace the inside of your left leg all the way to the floor, or as far as possible, depending on how flexible you are.


    Clean to Press- On your cleans, try this pointer Maxwell has been showing us. When you grip the kettlebell with your hand, rotate the handle so that your thumb starts between your legs. From here, as you pull upward, rotate your wrist quickly around the kb. For example, if I started with my right hand, I'd grip the KB and rotate it to the left so that my thumb started between my legs. From here I'd pull up, and my thumb would rotate to the right, and finish pointing inward to my chest. I noticed you get a lot of "KB flop," where the KB slams down onto your arm. You're getting that because your stopping the movement and letting the KB move around you, instead of you moving around the KB. When I'm doing the cleans, I'm actually moving so fast that I can't even feel the KB touch my wrist again when I come up.



    With all that said, your form on the windmills looked a lot better than the last time I remember. How'd you like those cleans to press? I've been doing reverse ladders like that (53lbs x 5/5/4/4/3/3/2/2/1/1), as fast as I can pump them out, no rest between reps. Haha it's some fun stuff.


    Let me know if you don't understand what I'm talking about. I'll try and make a video for you if you're more of a visual person.
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    Thanks Chub!

    I know exactly what you are talking about with the KB crashing down on my forearm. I've had some informal lessons since then and the tip I was given was exactly the one you just described. I haven't done any cleans of any circumstance since I took the video to try it though.

    As far as the windmills go, I could straighten my legs a little more and add a couple inches of depth, but I'm looking at Pavel's book on KBs and my form looks pretty similar. I see that my back leg isn't pitched at 45 degrees though and I'll try that.

    I have watched all of the video clips given at this site: http://www.groundfighter.com/details/prodid/202.html I would guess that among the master RKCs there is some minor differences among their technique.

    Let me know if you think I'm way off base with what I've just said about the windmills. I'm probably just not seeing something that someone with a trained eye would spot.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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