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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Windmills

    Here is my horrible form doing "windmills" w. a 53lb kettlebell. I realized later that I should be keeping my back leg locked and looking at the KB throughout the movement.
    http://media.putfile.com/windmill98

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    dream on fool..

    =D that looks like an interesting workout! for the legs right?
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    Sensei are those mostly core work?
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    Awesome to see somebody else in here doing some KBs. If I can offer a bit of advice (critique?)...Keep both legs straight. If you're holding the KB in your left hand, kick your hip out to the left underneath the KB. Put your right hand on your right leg and slowly follow the leg all the way to the floor. At this point both legs should be completely straight, or as close as your flexibility allows, right palm on floor, hip kicked out to same side as KB and you should be looking at the KB. Remember to squeeze if you ever feel the KB tracking off course, as this will usually help stop too much motion and keep you in line.


    Like I said, looked awesome, and cool to see somebody else in here using them. My instructor just bought "The Beast." Right now he absolutely owns everything with his set of 72s. Turkish Getups, Windmills, OH Presses, Russian Pistols, 1 Arm Snatches, 1 Arm Swings, everything. Not bad for a 167lbs guy haha.

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    I know nothing about KBs, but they look fun.
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    Sensei, I don't think you need all of those bumpers. Can you send me some?

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    Stumprrp and Bill,
    It's a waist, back and hip exercise. Having strong and flexible shoulders helps though!

    Chub,
    I have Pavel's book on KBs, but I haven't really read it. I took a quick glance and thought "Windmills... hmmm, I'll have a go at them tomorrow.". I read all the notes on technique AFTER trying them - not smart, but it was still fun anyway.
    Your instructor sounds like a strong SOB.

    Anthony,
    Yes! I don't know if they are really adding anything to my lifts, but they are definately a lot of fun! If nothing else, I suppose a little versatility and flexibility never hurts.

    Mix,
    I don't make good use of them. Unfortunately, they're not mine to give... If you're in the Midwest, PM me and we'll train!

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    whoa, never seen that before. Cool nonetheless....

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    Sensei- What muscles is that suppose to work? Obliques? Anyway I can't critique because I'm a newb but the tunes were right on. Aerosmith rocks!
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    I was waiting for the KB to drop on your head. Very impressive IMO.
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    Nice ass! Next time wear spandex when filming!

    Did you buy those KBs? Or is it your gyms?

    Also, for that, do you think it would have been doable using a dumbell?
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    Russ,
    Thanks!

    BigOldDad,
    It hits your obliques and hips pretty hard - a lot harder if you do them right. I'll try them again today (no camera though).

    Bill,
    Thanks! Actually, I did drop the KB on the first set - no more dangerous than dropping a barbell w. bumper plates from overhead though.

    ElPietro,
    Thanks for noticing! I bought both recently - I've wanted KBs since I saw Anatoly Kharpaty and his coach using them on an athlete profile during the 1988 Olympics.
    Definately doable w. DBs, but the weight would sit in your hands differently - I don't know if that would make it easier or harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei
    Definately doable w. DBs, but the weight would sit in your hands differently - I don't know if that would make it easier or harder.
    Definately harder with DBs.

    The fact that the KBs hang behind your hand make a lot of the overhead lockout/body movement (e.g., windmills, overhead squats) a lot (okay, a little) easier, since they pull you in the right direction.

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    awesome exercise I know a couple of athletes that use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabrielle
    awesome exercise I know a couple of athletes that use them.
    I think if I had seen someone doing this exercise when I was younger and knew everything, I would've thought "What the hell is that idiot doing?". Now, I'm a lot more open to new things and different ways of training.

    I know that KBs are just another trend that is currently hot in S&C, but there are definately some great things about them.

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    I'll give DBs a try sometime Mix.

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    I added an older video clip of one of my squat workouts w. 2 chains.
    http://media.putfile.com/squat-with-chains
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    I like those chained squats. How much was on the bar in the last segment? I have crappy eyes..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrelwooddowd
    I like those chained squats. How much was on the bar in the last segment? I have crappy eyes..
    The video quality isn't the best. It's 315 w. 2 chains.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Squats vids are a very cool. I've never seen the chains done before, don't have a link handy that describes the uses for bands/chains?

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    Here's a good one by Dave Tate that will get you started: http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....body_127resist

    I'll try to find more later.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    More info on Bands, Chains for different exercises
    http://www.carolinaironmasters.homes...ns_Bungees.htm
    http://www.elitefts.com/documents/top_3_squat_bench.htm

    Support from "experts"
    http://www.strengthcats.com/BNSsquatbenchpressbands.htm

    Squat & Bands/Chains
    http://www.elitefitnesssystems.com/d...s/thompson.htm (#5)
    Here is some BP and bands info:
    http://www.elitefitnesssystems.com/d...tter_bench.htm (#9)
    and you can purchase good quality bands and chains from Elite Fitness

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    Back to some heavier squatting finally. It's my first time w. 400+ on my back since I injured my hamstring and lower back in August. It was tough, but not bad considering it's my first heavy squat in over 4 months.
    Singles w. 315 and 405: http://media.putfile.com/315405
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
    Lifting Clips: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=johnnymnemonic2
    Blog: http://squatrx.blogspot.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei
    Back to some heavier squatting finally. It's my first time w. 400+ on my back since I injured my hamstring and lower back in August. It was tough, but not bad considering it's my first heavy squat in over 4 months.
    Singles w. 315 and 405: http://media.putfile.com/315405
    How you squat in pants I will never understand you hard core mo'fo
    I hope I can do 1/2 that much someday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muscleup
    How you squat in pants I will never understand you hard core mo'fo
    I'm just old-school-like-to-train-covered-up, I guess.

    I hope I can do 1/2 that much someday.
    I'll be checking your log - I'm sure you're well beyond that already.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
    Lifting Clips: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=johnnymnemonic2
    Blog: http://squatrx.blogspot.com/

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