I was reading This Article and was wondering what everyone thought of it. I personally love milk and drink it religiously, daily! I've made some great gains on milk... But what do you think of the health concerns caused from milk as stated in this article? Is this just another PETA fundamentalist article, or is it a valid concern?
Well I am biased as I have a dairly allergy that seems to have manifested in the past year. Could that be the result of drinking whole milk as a child? Could be....but what I can tell you for certain is that I switched to Soy Milk a few months ago and don't miss "real" milk at all.
I am becoming more and more leary of anything mass produced. Manufacturers goals are to increase profit, with little to no concern about your health and safety beyond FDA minimums.
I say try Soy and if you don't like it then at least you tried it.
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Personally I had allergic reactions to soy milk. I hear that's not an all too uncommon experience. Other soy/tofu products I'm fine with though. There are different kinds of milk out there too. Some people are keen on unpasteurized milk.
Last edited by Vegilles; 12-06-2005 at 12:16 PM.
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Yikes... doesn't he pasteurization process remove a lot of the crap from the milk such as germs and viruses??Originally Posted by Vegilles
Originally Posted by intargc
Pasteurization also kills the good bacteria in milk though. Neither pasteurization nor homoginization(sp) are paticularly "healthy" for you, contrary to what the dairy industry would like you to think.
That being said, I LOVE milk, but I only drink organic milk so I'm not terribly concerned about it. If I drank the mass produced commercial stuff I would probably take alot more heed of health warnings regarding milk.
edit: for example, almost every health problem mentioned in that article can be negated by drinking organic milk, because you can be positive that no drugs or chemicals are being used on the cows.
Last edited by spencerjrus; 12-06-2005 at 12:55 PM.
But... but... I love my big yellow jug of Mayfield!
Originally Posted by intargc
Eh give Alta Dena Organic or Horizon a try sometime, I think you might find it doesnt have the bad aftertaste found in most commercial milk. Personally I think the consistency is better too.
Yeah, I just looked up Horizon. I apparently is at Kroger and Whole Foods and I have both of those near me. I'll check it out tonight. For now, I'm finishing my yellow jug! Only one glass left!Originally Posted by spencerjrus
"Harmful chemicals"... so that's why everyone who drinks milk looses a limb and dies. I get it now.
I just got some Horizon but I was reading the container and it says "Homogenized and Ultra-Pasteurized" I thought that organic milks weren't supposed to be like that?Originally Posted by spencerjrus
There was a HUGE debate over milk about a month ago in the diet/nutrition forum, but I think it got deleted because I can't find it.
It was called "Bulking up with milk" or something like that.
Last edited by muscleup; 12-06-2005 at 07:55 PM.
Originally Posted by intargc
You're thinking of raw milk. (which is usually organic, but doesnt have to be) Unforutnately raw milk is extremely hard to get because the law prohibits it being shipped across state lines, so unless someone in your state is a large producer, you aint really gonna have a chance to buy any.
The only difference between commercial milk and organic is the way they treat/feed the cows,(though this obviously makes a HUGE difference, as we all know in bodybuilding, diet is 90% of the equation) the milk is processed in pretty much exactly the same way.
Gotcha... Well, I'll continue to get Horizon then. Thanks for the advice
Because of you guys I spent 3.49 on 1/2 a gal of Horizon 2% today....They were out of wholeOriginally Posted by intargc
I always get 2%. A little less fat and only 20 less calories per serving. I have just never gotten whole milk for some reason.
What annoys me is I can only find the 1/2 gallons. I go through 1/2 gallon in 1 day exactly... I usually get 2 gallons worth of milk, but now I'm going to have to buy 4 damn containers of it.
Haha now you guys feel my pain, the grocery store nearest my house is regularly out of Horizon Whole milk. Because of this I now buy 3-4 gallons at a time. The lady at the checkout gives me weird looks when I lay 8 containers of milk on the counter lol.
I wish they had the gallon containers more often but for some reason it seems they produce more of the half gallon ones.
To answer the question that you asked...I would not use that article as a the foundation of any argument you can make either for or against drinking milk. The author is definately not an expert--> http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/south.htm
Also, with one exception, every reference he sites is at least 10 years old.
Originally Posted by prunemanHe sounds pretty qualified to me...Clayton South is a well known writer in the bodybuilding and fitness industry. With over eighty bodybuilding and fitness publications to his credit, this expert is looked to monthly by over four million readers from around the world.
Mr. South is the author of Applied Bodybuilding Research, a leading-edge publication, based on the newest research from the worlds leading scientists. In addition, Mr. South is the author of a wildly popular monthly questions and answers column, and numerous training, supplement and nutritional articles.
As an industry insider and consumer advocate, Clayton South is on the forefront of the industry, testing new products daily, and pushing for consumer rights. Mr. South also has extensive experience as a personal trainer.
Graduating from a leading college with an associates degree in law, Clayton South has designed and implemented rehabilitation programs for troubled youth. As a councilor, social worker and noted motivational speaker, Mr. South has helped some of tomorrows most troubled citizens transform their lives before it is too late, through his unique psychological approach, and his appreciation for an active, healthy, lifestyle.
However, I think, as spencer stated, Organic milk rules out all of the major issues specified. Plus, the Anthony rundown on milk is priceless:
Originally Posted by Anthony
[QUOTE=intargc]He sounds pretty qualified to me...QUOTE]
umm...he has an associates degree in law and he is studying psychology. How does this make him qualified? He's not a scientist or doctor. Anyone can read a few old journals and write an article on them. I'm pretty sure you won't find much if you search pub med for Clayton South.
This "Furthermore, many of the hormones that have been shown to cause problems (such as rBGH) have been banned and/or boycotted in the majority of the world's dairy farmers." takes care of the article intargc was worried about.
[QUOTE=pruneman]He knows how to spew convincing BS?Originally Posted by intargc
well...I wasn't gonna come right out and say it.
[QUOTE=JustLost]Originally Posted by pruneman
It's not exactly BS, some of those things were major health concerns at a point in time, but as someone pointed out most of the studies he was talking about are at least a decade old. And as I said organic milk negates basically every point he made.
If it was a big deal, don't you think we would see more about it? How many people do you think drink milk every day? I'm going to keep drinking it.
[QUOTE=spencerjrus]I did not read the entire article nor am I an expert on the subject so I can't really comment on whether it is BS or not. The point I was trying to make was that if you are looking for a reliable source of "cutting edge research," for heavens sake find a better source than bodybuilding.com.Originally Posted by JustLost