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    LOL.

    Only built could pull that off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smalls
    Having a tiny or large waist has far more to do with bodyfat and genetic predisposition than any exercise. How much potential for girth do you think your abdominals and obliques really have?

    That being said I can still see abs ok with a 40" waist. And mine has been as small as 29" LOL. For some reason my waist likes to be huge, I suck. And I dont do traditional deadlifts.

    Stop worrying about the little things that wont make a difference.
    yeah i feel you on the huge waist.. well mine isn't huge right now but i'd like it to look a little more tapered than it is right now at 32".. maybe i just need to make my lats look much wider.. =D

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    Deadlifts have really given BCC a terribly thick waist.
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    Even if he wasnt BSing you it was still a mistake to listen to a pro bodybuilder, they are not reknown for their excellent training advice.

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    i never do deadlifts (don't kill me), but since i started doing squats, my waist looks larger... obviously it's because of bodyfat going up from 10% to 14% or so... but i'll have to come up with something to shrink it, since it already tends to stick out when my bodyfat is above 8%... and largeness + stickingoutness = sick waist

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    Do Frank Zane and Ulyssees Jr do deadlifts? If so, then they wont give you a thick waist. Getting bigger overall will give you a thick waist though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Built
    In other words ... don't sweat the petty things. (And don't pet the sweaty things!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by khari
    Here's a picture of Dave Gulledge (powerlifter). Notice his thick waist due to lots of deadlifts.
    NIIIICE. I think that guy has exactly the physique I am shooting for.
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    It depends on the person, i worked my way upto 500lb deads for sets of 6-8. And i noticed a definate change in my waistline. (considering i was at 8% bf at the time)

    Since dropping deadlifts and focusing on DB rows and chins, my waist has come down considerably and people are commenting on how much wider my back looks, when in reality it hasnt got bigger...my waist got smaller.
    The only limits are the one's you place on yourself...

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    So wait.... we're not listening to what pro's tell us now?

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    Did we ever?

    Due to their world-class genetics and chemical aids, most pros have never needed to learn what works for a genetically average person who is not on steroids.

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    you can look good with out doing deadlifts.
    you can look good and do deadlifts.

    thats sums it up to me.
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrestlemaniac
    So wait.... we're not listening to what pro's tell us now?
    Go try one of Arnold's advanced routines. When you get out of the hospital, you can tell us if listening to pro bodybuilders is a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrestlemaniac
    So wait.... we're not listening to what pro's tell us now?
    just as people on most web sites like this, there is lots of contridicting answer between pro's.

    find ones you like (like people on here for advice) and follow there guidlines.

    some pro's know a lot, some are full of sh**. Arnold admitted that he used to wind people up about routines.
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtremeAnabolic
    Did we ever?

    Due to their world-class genetics and chemical aids, most pros have never needed to learn what works for a genetically average person who is not on steroids.
    I alot people in here seem to be doing cycles(on gear) as well, maybe not as much gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khalid05
    I alot people in here seem to be doing cycles(on gear) as well, maybe not as much gear.

    I don't see anyone here who has the genetics of a IFBB pro though, and that is a MUCH bigger determining marker of success in the BB area than gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtremeAnabolic
    I don't see anyone here who has the genetics of a IFBB pro though, and that is a MUCH bigger determining marker of success in the BB area than gear.
    Agreed. When you actually meet a person who has those genetics and see what they can do with their body on a horrible diet and next to retarted routine it really hits home how powerfull some peoples genetics are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtremeAnabolic
    I don't see anyone here who has the genetics of a IFBB pro though, and that is a MUCH bigger determining marker of success in the BB area than gear.
    How are you coming to that conclusion? Some pros didn't look like much before they started lifting seriously...

    The reason I bring this up is that I can't stand the "I'm-a-hardgainer" mentality. Admittedly, there are a very small percentage on either end of the spectrum, but MOST people, including many Mr. O competitors and the flabby ass on the treadmill, are inbetween.

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    The People on the Mr Olympia stage are not inbetween! They are the elite, pre-disposed with the ability to put on mass muscle with like smalls said shocking diets and other factors that would leave the average person stranded.

    Everyone brings up well so and so was skinny at 18, everyone starts somewhere! I like the Ruhl example, at 19 he was as thin as a rake, he wasnt bodybuilding then! He was a pretty good soccer player, but an injury turned him to weight training. 2yrs down the line he's a ****ing gargantuan! Ive never seen anyone with less than elite genetics build that much size in 10 yrs let alone 2!

    As much as it hurts for a lot of people to take, genetics matter...big time! Whether it be structural or just the protein synthesis ability etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei
    How are you coming to that conclusion? Some pros didn't look like much before they started lifting seriously...

    The reason I bring this up is that I can't stand the "I'm-a-hardgainer" mentality. Admittedly, there are a very small percentage on either end of the spectrum, but MOST people, including many Mr. O competitors and the flabby ass on the treadmill, are inbetween.

    No. Maybe 30 years ago or so, but now they are the elite of the elite. Regardless of whether they looked like BEFORE they started bodybuilding, they had very good genes. Weightlifting just bought that out. You won't ALWAYS look big and ripped even before you start weightlifting. It's how your body (genetics) responds to it. If you gain MUSCLE mass fast, and lots of it, you have good genetics, regardless of whether you are skinny or not before you started.

    As regards the skinny maybe it was lack of proper food, or rest. Once they got into bodybuilding and realized the importance of proper food and rest they grew like weeds. I doubt there is a single competive IFBB pro out there today who is or was a "hardgainer".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtremeAnabolic
    No. Maybe 30 years ago or so, but now they are the elite of the elite. Regardless of whether they looked like BEFORE they started bodybuilding, they had very good genes. Weightlifting just bought that out. You won't ALWAYS look big and ripped even before you start weightlifting. It's how your body (genetics) responds to it. If you gain MUSCLE mass fast, and lots of it, you have good genetics, regardless of whether you are skinny or not before you started.

    As regards the skinny maybe it was lack of proper food, or rest. Once they got into bodybuilding and realized the importance of proper food and rest they grew like weeds. I doubt there is a single competive IFBB pro out there today who is or was a "hardgainer".


    The more I learn about bodybuilding the less I believe in the idea of a "hardgainer". There are only ectomorphs who dont eat enough.

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    Weather or not there are hardgainers, there most certainly are easygainers. Guys who eat maybe 3500 cals, have no consistancy to their diet and yet are still 5'9 220 sub 10%BF, sick muscle bellies and awesome proportions.
    Once you have actually met someone like this and listen to them talk about their diet and routine you realize how amazing some peoples genetics really are.
    A hardgainer is the opposite of this. Anyone can gain weight, anyone can gain muscle. It's the proportion of muscle to fat, that makes someone a hardgainer. Some peoples bodies just dont want to hold onto much muscle.
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    I agree with Smalls,

    I have a friend who is 6'1 and went out of HS doing the Football routine, heavy lifts and squats, presses, etc. Now in about 6 months or so He dropped lower body workouts because " Im not a pornstar or football player, no one needs to see my legs" and gained 15lbs of upperbody mass. Then when he told me he's diet I was amazed, nothing in the morning, a couple of sandwiches before workout, cheetos after with some home cooking and thats about it. Probably 2000-2500 calories. While Im here forking over 4000 at 5'8 barely gainin 1/2lb a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Built
    I do deadlifts.

    I'm sorry - what was your point?
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