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    Grip Lockout?

    Question for a few people here... I am not sure on the proper term, but my weightlifting coach taught me a special way grab the bar for deadlifts, squats and snatches. Basically the thumb gets tucked in and your 2-3 fingers go right over it. It results in an extremely strong grip, much stronger than anything else, for the most part.

    Is that legal to do in power lifting? I know it is legal in olympic style, but I was not sure about powerlifting. Because, in the dead lifts, I can use clean style front grip with the thumb lockout and go over 400+ with no problem.

    Anyone else use this grip? I don't use it unless my grip cannot handle the load on their own, so essentially I will only resort to this grip on a heavy deadlift.

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    Hook grip. It's painful, but strong. Legal, as far as I know. Mostly used in olympic lifting where you need to rack the weight double overhand. In PL, you can use a mixed grip, which is stronger still.

    Anyway, I think most people can train their grip strength to be signficantly above their dead weights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    Hook grip. It's painful, but strong. Legal, as far as I know. Mostly used in olympic lifting where you need to rack the weight double overhand. In PL, you can use a mixed grip, which is stronger still.

    Anyway, I think most people can train their grip strength to be signficantly above their dead weights.
    I agree about increasing grip strength. However, I dislike mixed grip and will not use it unless absolutely needed. My only concern with the "hook grip" is that the thumb could get doslocated and litterally ripped off your hand if you ever attempted too much weight... Woudn't happen with a mixed grip.

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    so would the ultimate strength grip be the mixed hook grip?! lol
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    Some people do it - I've never seen it personally, but I've seen photos of world class DLers using a mixed grip w. the hook.
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    Why would need to use the hook grip on squats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by khari
    Why would need to use the hook grip on squats?
    YAWN... I wouldn't, it was a mistake

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    My thumbs were hurting reading this... I can easily imagine my thumb dislocating doing something like that... OUCH! Do gripwork or invest in straps.. Sounds painful to me man..
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    Some of the big deadlifters (Travis Mash, for one) are going to a hook grip/double overhand because they're afraid of tearing a bicep with a heavy deadlift.

    Chris Mason on this board has gone over to the hook, I believe.

    I personally haven't liked it when I've tried it, but I've never really spent much time working on it, either.
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    At first the grip is painful on the thumbnail, but after a few sessions it doesn't hurt any longer. Pretty soon you will fine yourself using the hook grip on other things.... I used to use it on the steering wheel without thinking... Now I make a point to NOT do that... If the airbag went off, my thumbs would have ripped off my hand, not good!

    Anyway, the hook grip is awesome

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    Would their be less chance of losing the bar on heavy benches using a hook grip? If so, I'd probably switch to it when shirt benching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deeder
    My thumbs were hurting reading this... I can easily imagine my thumb dislocating doing something like that... OUCH! Do gripwork or invest in straps.. Sounds painful to me man..
    Straps are illegal in weightlifting competition, and snatching 100+kg with regular grip is no easy feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khari
    Straps are illegal in weightlifting competition, and snatching 100+kg with regular grip is no easy feat.
    Right on... Even though it seems like 100+ KG isn't much, you have to remember that the speed of the lift increases it's weight 2-3 X that of what it really is... So a 100+ KG snatch is much like a 200 + KG snatch dead lift... Not easy, not easy at all. Hook Grip was required for snatch, in my opinion due to the power of the lift. But that goes for the clean + jerk as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido
    Would their be less chance of losing the bar on heavy benches using a hook grip? If so, I'd probably switch to it when shirt benching.
    I don't know much about power lifting, except that there are a dozen of federations/associations with their own rules and their own champions... I don't see how the hook group would help you on the Bench Press from my experience. Goodness, if the weight is falling out of your hands, you might not want to be benching that : )
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    Quote Originally Posted by khari
    Straps are illegal in weightlifting competition, and snatching 100+kg with regular grip is no easy feat.
    Fair enough... I am no where close to entering weightlifting competitions and don't do any olympic style lifts yet...

    If I ever get around to learning some of those I might have to look into it... I'll still worry about my thumbs though
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    i used mixed grip w/ hook all the time. up to 536lbs was my highest lift. didnt really hurt at all. and no, your thumb wont "rip off" or dislocate.... at least it never did for me, and the 6 months i did it when i still deadlifted...
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    Nice DL, but that has to be the most godawful-butt-ugly singlet I have ever seen!
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    im a ghetto zebra lol.

    i had no singlet so i borrowed one from my friend. yes its ugly.
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    Haha damn man, looks like their should be a discoball somewhere in that picture. Awesome deadlift though man.

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    brad gillingham 837lb dead with hook grip (dp)...http://www.irongame.com/videos/BradG...37lbDL@SHW.mpg

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    how heavy is that pull in the pic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tize
    how heavy is that pull in the pic?
    400 and some...
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