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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Squat vs. bench numbers

    who can ass to grass squat the same as what they can flat barbell bench?

    the squat must be all the way down(3-4 inches from ass hitting the ground), no bouncing and a medium stance or so.

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    I can squat ALOT more then I can bench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by levronefan
    who can ass to grass squat the same as what they can flat barbell bench?

    the squat must be all the way down(3-4 inches from ass hitting the ground), no bouncing and a medium stance or so.
    I can... I think several people are able to accomplish this in this forum.

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    If your bench and squat are close to the same you're either really weak, or really strong.
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    ..shouldnt your squat be much higher than bench????

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    Quote Originally Posted by levronefan
    who can ass to grass squat the same as what they can flat barbell bench?

    the squat must be all the way down(3-4 inches from ass hitting the ground), no bouncing and a medium stance or so.
    People should naturally be able to squat more than they bench, with the proper proportions and strengths. However, most people in the gym NEVER train ATF squats and spend a lot of time benching.
    Last edited by MixmasterNash; 02-07-2006 at 04:06 PM.

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    I only know 1 person who benches more than he squats, you should definitelly be able to squat alot more than you bench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinStarke
    I only know 1 person who benches more than he squats, you should definitelly be able to squat alot more than you bench.
    Now you know two..lol

    I have had the absolute worst time with form. I think I'm finally getting it, and if I stay consistent I won't be one of those two any more..rofl
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    Yeah, there are three (see below). It's a constant source of shame, but I'm working really, really hard on my squats to get them back above bench-level. At least I DL reasonably well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinStarke
    I only know 1 person who benches more than he squats, you should definitelly be able to squat alot more than you bench.
    Just need some clarification Kevin. You currently Touch n' Go bench over 315, right? How much can you ATF Squat with no equipment (Belt, wraps, etc...)

    When I posted muscle imbalance a few pages back, I had asked if my numbers were a bit imbalanced and I specifically addressed Squat Versus DL, but I did place my bench press number up there as well and no one commented that my Bench Press was too high for it or what not... Just curious... Is having a Bench Press close to your ATF Squat an imbalance?

    Just curious is all..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchAngel777
    Is having a Bench Press close to your ATF Squat an imbalance?
    If you're a powerlifter, no.

    If you're a different kind of athlete, probably.

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    Well I think it depends on the circumstance. I lifted for yrs rarely doing squats so my bench and squat are close.
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    just to clarify, im talking about going down as low as humanly possible, http://www.qwa.org/products/images/IMG_6986.jpg

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    Thats almost extreme depth I've only seen a few do that. I go almost that low w/ lighter rep wt sometimes.
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    i could never go that low, my ATF is maybe 1-2 inch below parallel, its just where my body stops.

    squat should be higher then bench unless thats all you train is bench
    2000 or bust

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    my atf squat is only slightly more than my bench and dead is only slightly more than my squat

    i was struggling with severe tendonitis in both legs for months though and just started doing squats again in julyish

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    i go parallel and my squat is a good 100-120 ish lbs. more than my bench...that being said my legs are pretty strong while my upper body is more average...
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    Quote Originally Posted by levronefan
    just to clarify, im talking about going down as low as humanly possible, http://www.qwa.org/products/images/IMG_6986.jpg
    thats not a squat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchAngel777
    Just need some clarification Kevin. You currently Touch n' Go bench over 315, right? How much can you ATF Squat with no equipment (Belt, wraps, etc...)

    When I posted muscle imbalance a few pages back, I had asked if my numbers were a bit imbalanced and I specifically addressed Squat Versus DL, but I did place my bench press number up there as well and no one commented that my Bench Press was too high for it or what not... Just curious... Is having a Bench Press close to your ATF Squat an imbalance?

    Just curious is all..
    ATF's a good deal lower weight than parallel squat and I personaly rarely squat ATF nor do I know my max on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cphafner
    thats not a squat.
    Word.

    That would be a snatch.

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    Wait a sec... thats how low I go!!!!!

    Every rep, every set
    Being a strong teenager means nothing.

    My wrists hurt, but some people don't have wrists to be sore. My knees have tendinitis, but some people don't have legs to get tendinitis in. I seem to be going backwards with training, yet some people can't even walk let alone lift 400 pounds on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy View Post
    Wait a sec... thats how low I go!!!!!

    Every rep, every set
    how much weight?

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    I did 225x9 that low, Im usually doing 285x3
    Being a strong teenager means nothing.

    My wrists hurt, but some people don't have wrists to be sore. My knees have tendinitis, but some people don't have legs to get tendinitis in. I seem to be going backwards with training, yet some people can't even walk let alone lift 400 pounds on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy View Post
    Wait a sec... thats how low I go!!!!!

    Every rep, every set
    Ummm... I doubt it. OLers don't go that low when they squat!
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Parallel - 345x1
    ATF - 265x1
    Bench - 205x5 (never maxed)

    That so bad?

    Off topic: Is it good to go ATF for front squats?

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