The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness
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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Wannabebig New Member HahnB's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchAngel777
    Uhhhh... A few points of contention here... The first is that abs get worked in several other exercises. Dead Lifts, Squats, Lat Pull Downs, Tricept Push Downs, etc... The abs get awesome training through those exercises. I have seen several people have great stomach muscles, awesome stomach muscles without every doing a situp, or for that matter, working out.

    The reason we work our chest is because without directly working it, it probably is a muscle that would go unused. In addition, having a large chest and smaller stomach muscles looks better than the other way around. I have seen a few people with such huge abs and no chest, it looks ridiculous, but the other way around does not. Just my personal opinion is all.
    Your chest gets worked in just about everything you do. Carryin something heavy at chest level obviously uses your chest muscles. Personally I don't care what other exersies your abs are worked in, if you want a strong core train you freakin abs. Why do you think boxers do so much core work? Why don't they just rely on squats and deadlifts? Who cares if you've seen people with nice abs that don't do situps. Everyones different. I've seen guys that are pretty well built who don't even train, should we all just stop training to get big?
    My brother and I were brutal. I once chased him around the house with a spoon that I put on the burner. I burned that little pricks leg. -sharkall2003

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    Quote Originally Posted by kique
    oh another thing lol , why do are you suggesting to do deadlifts on shoulder days, reason i do shrugs is for my traps so i dont want to cancel that if i can do deadlifts on back day
    Deads will hit your traps.

    I do two back days on my split. Traps get hit with chest (with rack pulls or off the floor deads), lats get hit with shoulders. Splits it up. (Traps get another hit on hamstring day, with RDls).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HahnB
    Your chest gets worked in just about everything you do. Carryin something heavy at chest level obviously uses your chest muscles. Personally I don't care what other exersies your abs are worked in, if you want a strong core train you freakin abs. Why do you think boxers do so much core work? Why don't they just rely on squats and deadlifts? Who cares if you've seen people with nice abs that don't do situps. Everyones different. I've seen guys that are pretty well built who don't even train, should we all just stop training to get big?
    I completely and whole heartedly dissagree with you.

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    <- did 3 sets of 8 reps of direct ab work once a week through her cut. (When she remembered)

    <- working abs heavy with 3 sets of 8-12 reps once or twice a week during her bulk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Built
    <- did 3 sets of 8 reps of direct ab work once a week through her cut. (When she remembered)

    <- working abs heavy with 3 sets of 8-12 reps once or twice a week during her bulk.
    And just look at those abs! Amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchAngel777
    You do not have to work your abs at all. In fact, you are overtraining them currently if you follow that routine.
    i don't know how you can come to that conclusion if all you know is he works his abs with his cardio. That could mean one set a day at the end of HIIT three days a week. That's three sets, hardly over working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatit
    i don't know how you can come to that conclusion if all you know is he works his abs with his cardio. That could mean one set a day at the end of HIIT three days a week. That's three sets, hardly over working.
    Directly working his abs three times a week (essentially every other day) on top of indirectly working his abs nearly every day is how I came to that conclusion. It isn't hard to see that. And if you followed along with the posts I simply suggested he remove one direct ab workout. Which, ding ding ding, lines up with what Built does on her bulks. Go argue with Built's picture if you dissagree.

    Posted by: Kique
    well workout plans are.
    tues-thurs-sunday = hiit/abs
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    Posted by: ArchAngel777
    1) Don't remove sunday, remove either Tuesday or Thursday's session.

    2) Skimping on legs is doing half ass squats and calling it a day after 2 sets.
    Removing either Tuesday or Thursday's session would allow a good 3/4 day split between his abs, to allow them to recover.
    Last edited by ArchAngel777; 02-10-2006 at 09:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchAngel777
    I completely and whole heartedly dissagree with you.
    Pick up a box that weighs 70lbs and tell me your chest muscles are 100% relaxed.
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    Then I saw a little african boy sleeping, and I thought...that is little Okeke. he is tired from herding all the goats and the big goat got away today - Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by HahnB
    Pick up a box that weighs 70lbs and tell me your chest muscles are 100% relaxed.
    We have been through this before on other threads... Just because your muscle is flexed does not mean it is A) getting stronger or B) getting bigger. Now that doesn't mean it doesn't work your chest at all, it simply means it is quite negligable, especially in the scenario above.

    Quite honestly, I have picked up boxes well over 70 pounds and never felt a damn thing in my chest the next day. However, my traps were sore (as they should be) along with my grip and lower back. You are going to have to do a lot better than the above scenario to convince me of its worth on the pectoral region.

    In addition, you said "just about everything works your chest muscles" and that is the part I dissagree with, completely. Unless your definition of 'work' is flexed and doing the amount of weight a 3 year old's chest could accomplish.

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