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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Wannabe Rick James Genacide's Avatar
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    Squats and Speed

    Will larger legs due to squats and other leg mass building excercises directly lead to less speed for sprinting, or more?


    And yes, I just wanted to be the first to post here!!!
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    Speed squats will.

    Slow, heavy squats may not, necessarily. This largely depends on how trained the individual is. If they are in good shape, heavy squats probably won't add speed. If they are undertrained, then adding basic leg strength will probably add speed.

    Dan John presents an excellent hybrid: The Litvinov Workout

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    This is actually something I've been wondering about for a long time. I'm putting on some good mass in my legs (far better than any other area) and am getting the impression that having to move the extra mass may slow me down. For the record I do very slow squats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genacide
    This is actually something I've been wondering about for a long time. I'm putting on some good mass in my legs (far better than any other area) and am getting the impression that having to move the extra mass may slow me down. For the record I do very slow squats.
    Go get some pictures of world class sprinters... Look at their legs and then determine if you think yours are getting out of hand. Their legs are larger than normal, but they are not overly huge. Their body is pretty musclar and lean for the most part, being around 5'10" and weighing anywhere from 165 - 180 at around 6% - 8% body fat.

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    You have to really combine Squats.. any squats really with Plyometrics to get the most benefit for speed. You can look at some sprinters and they have thick legs, while some have "thin" legs... but they all have 2 things in common.. phemonal strength and explosiveness.

    For now, I wouldn't worry about thickness... if it's in your genetics, then that is the way you are built. But you have to train hard, heavy and for explosiveness...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genacide
    Will larger legs due to squats and other leg mass building excercises directly lead to less speed for sprinting, or more?


    And yes, I just wanted to be the first to post here!!!
    There's a certain amount of functional muscle mass that will enhance your performance. The rest can be called, "adipose mucle bulk." Meaning excess muscle mass can have a negative effect on your movement patterns which leads to a decrease in performance. I believe Dr Siff coined this phrase.
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    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    There's a certain amount of functional muscle mass that will enhance your performance. The rest can be called, "adipose mucle bulk." Meaning excess muscle mass can have a negative effect on your movement patterns which leads to a decrease in performance. I believe Dr Siff coined this phrase.
    this makes the most sense, but the thing is how do you determine when you start creating this "adipose muscle bulk"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimum08
    this makes the most sense, but the thing is how do you determine when you start creating this "adipose muscle bulk"?
    Most likely when you start slowing down or Notice a decrease in speed.
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    If you are training at a high performance sporting centre these places usually have equipment that test your force output which can give feedback as to whether you are increasing or decreasing the capacity to display power output.

    The other way is as BigRic said, you notice a decrease in performnace. Maybe you aren't cutting as quickly as you should be or your acceleration is slow (starting strength). These are just a couple signs you might take note of during practice or game.
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    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

    "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
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    I play tennis a lot in the summer and was wondering if this will effect my performance much. When it comes down to it though, I'll take the increased size over the slightly better tennis game.
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    Train for specificity, meaning train fast to be fast.
    I would put together a plyometric routine to enhance speed, and agility.

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    read
    http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/speedtraining.html

    and read
    http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/SquatsandSpeed.html

    and those are my legs in the 2nd article BTW - I squat a lot and can acclerate pretty damn quickly
    although I'm much leaner now
    Last edited by Blitzforce; 04-02-2006 at 04:00 AM.

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