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    Would you choose life or death in this situation?

    So...

    I just finished watching "Million Dollar Baby." Now before I begin, this is not a thread about the movie but if you haven't seen it and plan to, then stop reading..this will spoil it..

    Anyway, I just finished watching "Million Dollar Baby," and the conclusion got me to thinking about how I'd feel if I ever got myself into Maggie's position. I wondered if I, too, would want to die if I had only marginal facial function, along with all of my brain. Certainly, the brain is the most important thing we have, and a person can do amazing things with one--but would a life of bedsores and motionlessness be worth it? Or, is it worth the risk to see what's out there after death?

    Now, I know some are of the belief that there is nothing after death, and I can accept that. So I wonder how that would affect your decision in this case?

    Also, there are those like me, who believe in a higher power. Some (or maybe all..I don't know) religions don't go for suicide, and would liek you to believe that you're damned if you do--but I feel like I'd be damned if I didn't...

    That brings me to the next thought, which is something I've wondered as well, and come to pretty much believe at this point in my life; That God isn't as involved in everyone's business as we've always been led to believe. I feel like God intervenes when the natural progression of someone's life takes a turn that interferes with another plan He has in the works. I think that God doesn't just 'let bad things happen to good people' like we always hear, but rather allows life to progress, and gets involved when He feels the need. I also beleive that enough prayer can work wonders, but that's really for another discussion.

    I also feel like science and medicine are doing almost unnatural things these days, and maybe we aren't always intended to survive. I mean, was Terry Schiavo really living, or was she just being kept alive? Was it her destiny to die as a result of her heart attack/stroke, and she was just kept alive by science and the courts? If she had been able to commit suicide, would God have felt the same way as the kid who hangs himself after his girlfriend dumps him? Does God really view a person's cause of death any differently, or only how they lived their life prior to their demise?

    I know this is rather long, but all things considered..what would you do?

    ..and why?
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    Death.

    For me that woulnd't be a life. Being basically nothing more than a head would be a horrible way to live. If i can't move.. can't even breathe on my own and there is ZERO chance of recovery.. it's just not worth living.

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    Keep thinking.

    Seriously. Keep thinking, you'll find your answers.

    Myself, I'd choose death. Whether or not anything is afterwards is irrelevant to me - to continue "life" in her situation would just be misery.
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    Death.

    And by the way that movie was really damn good.
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    At the end of the movie Maggie's state could hardly be called "living". I would choose death- there is no dignity in that kind of an end. I just saw the movie this past weekend and it was awesome.

    I believe in death with dignity and I would extend the practice to terminally ill people with loads of pain and no chance for recovery.
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    Was she in the situation like the guy in the "One" video?

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    Loved the movie. Saw it again two nights ago, and I thought it was just as profound as the first time I saw it.

    We have to remember that Maggie felt abandoned by her family, and had led a life much different from that of most people. Nevertheless, I would still choose death -- but I can see how someone in a different social/economic position might be able to make a more meaningful approach to the decision.
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    I too would probably choose death. Hard to say until you're
    actually there though.

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    In that situation I think I would chose death, just because I couldn't imagine living a life like that; almost totaly incapacitated, having to rely on someone for EVERYTHING. But like rdkraus said, I might change my mind if I ever found myself actually faced with that decision. It's a tough decision to choose death over life, so I guess I really don't know.
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    I would try to blink out "steeem ceellll research" over and over again with my eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlP
    Was she in the situation like the guy in the "One" video?
    I would say so, although I think the guy in the video could breathe on his own.

    EDIT: it appears the guy in the video "can't hear, see, smell, taste and he doesn't have arms or legs" according to this website:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock
    I would try to blink out "steeem ceellll research" over and over again with my eyes.
    Good call.
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    let me die in peace.


    preferably with a huge morphine OD. then give my parts away.

    unless the morphine makes my parts unusable. in which case - skip the morphine.
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    morphine cookies for tryska!

    yum yum yum..hey wait now I cant taste them anymore...its like jerking off to fat women, its not good for anyone.
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    I would choose life, so long as I had the ability to communicate/change that decision later on.

    Who knows what the future holds and what purpose may be behind a situation like that. They have lots of technology to help support and if you have partial facial function (if nothing else) then you can use motion activated tools to interact with the world. Sure you need a lot of support but I mean look at Stephen Hawking. That dude would not survive without technology and a lot of help but he has significantly contributed to the world. I like to think I would be able to at least attempt to continue to contribute even if I was laid up like that.

    And yeah, I'm with Rock. Stem cell research would be high on my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock
    morphine cookies for tryska!

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    Death. Stem cell research is still a long long way from real life clinical application. A long way.
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    Based on how I feel while looking at that situation from the outside, I suppose I'd choose death. But, if I was in that situation, I can't say how I'd feel about it. I think the human will to live is far stronger than a lot of us realize, and we may all view things differently..given the opportunity.

    Just the fact that life can be sustained in so many seemingly crappy states of existence is a bit unsettling to me. It's like one part of science and medicine is WAY ahead of the other, and the actual repairing of these things is truly lagging behind.

    I'd have to hope for a cure, and stay in that condition a while I guess, but I'd really have to find something to keep me occupied.
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    I haven't seen the movie, read the thread, or read anything other than the thread title, but I'd choose death.

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    Death. I'm not interested in life that excludes living. Isn't that the point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Nissen
    Death. I'm not interested in life that excludes living. Isn't that the point?
    I guess that would depend entirely on one's definition of "living" or "life."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Nissen
    Death. I'm not interested in life that excludes living. Isn't that the point?
    depends on wha tyou call life. Stephen Hawking is doign alright, as far as i know that is. Personally i can't say, unless i'm in the situation. Hopefully i will never be in that situation.
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