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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    We are all different people, hence we all see use of steroid differently, this is how I percieve it..

    Marc & Anthony are both soldiers. Anthony is a better fighter, huge, fast and strong. Marc is very good too but don't stand tall at Anthony's side. When going to war, Marc is full heart in fighting and putting is life at risk like there was no tomorrow. Meanwhile, Anthony on the other hand hide is huge carapace behind a tree making sure nobody sees him. When returning to camp after battle, both recieve kudos for their work and courage on the field. Anthony, without a scare, make up story of how hard it was to become the warrior he is today. Marc would love to do like Anthony but he knows too well nobody would listen to him. Marc knows that at the end he will always be under Anthony even though he could change it all by playing the game like him.

    When I think of myself taking steroid, other than the good I also feel like I'd lose something precious belonging to me, the warrior in me. Making the choice of taking or not taking steroid would put me in either's shoes. I think what is most important is to consider what is most valuable to you, be an hero to yourself or to others? Once you've evaluated this, the decision become clearer.

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    Rob is a young lad. Rob hasn't got enough money. Rob doesn't need juice. Rob doesn't want to be huge. Rob wants his Calvin Klein contract and he's singing. Rob is allergic to needles. Rob is spotty enough as it is. Rob can't be bothered hiding even more stuff from parents. Rob likes his testicles the way they are. Rob doesn't want someone elses liver when he is 25. Rob values his kidneys. Rob doesn't have any 'contacts'...

    Is that creative enough?
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    I think I understand what you are saying in your story, but some of the English was hard to follow (not an offense) ...

    You are afraid that no matter how hard you train & diet, someone who uses AS will always have an advantage over you - even if their heart isn't as big as yours.

    Is this correct?
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    Not exactly what I meant..
    A bit hard to understand heh? I'm gonna make it simplier,

    Bob studies very hard, he deserve an A+ but just to make sure he get it.. he cheats. He gets an A+ and go brag about it.
    Johnny study just a bit, he cheats and end up with an A. Just like Bob, he goes out and brag about it.
    Penis works very hard, he deserve an A+ but he knows too well he won't get it unless he cheats. He gets a B which is over the average but nothing to brag about.
    Franco doesn't work, doesn't cheat and get a D. He judge everybody with good marks of being cheaters.

    Understand what I mean now?
    In my case I would either be Bob or Penis. Both have their pros & cons, at the end it all end up of how you value things. Sometime I tell myself.. why not enjoy life at it fullest, but behind it is the honesty to myself and other which I'm giving up. Now, imagine the feeling to have an A without cheating.. time and hard work was spent but alot of people won't recognize this hard work and group me with Bob and Johnny. Get my point? That's why I said, Is it more important to you to be an hero on the outside or to yourself?
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    Okay, let me try to translate again ... you think that if you looked like you used steroids, people would assume you did. This would bother you because they ignore all the hard work and effort you put in to achieve your success and automatically call you a 'cheater.' So, does it really matter how you got there since they will think this?

    It matters if you feel it matters.
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    How about this one...

    Gino gets recruited by many colleges to play football. Gino is in the starting lineup and does well, but he's still not satisfied. In fact he's never satisfied, so he tries some synthetic assistance. Like many other guys on his team and opposing teams, it helps him play better because it makes him bigger, faster, stronger, and more aggressive than he was before. Gino does it wisely, never overdoing it, and takes all precautionary measures to avoid negative side effects. He suffers NO negative side effects.

    Using steroids was Gino's choice and he has NO regrets.
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    Again, not really what I meant.
    I guess you just don't see it like I do.. w a n k y
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    Oh! for god's sake! just take the damn juice! we all know you want to!
    And leave me out of your little psycho-moral stories... I'm gonna kick your but on the stage... juice or no juice !
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    LMAO@Chicken_Daddy .... hehe ... crazy northen bloke !!

    Yates has a large Penis ..... Woman love him ..... men hate him ...... except the ones from San Fran.

    Short and sweet.

    Seriously Sinep ... I can see what ya getting at !!!! What p!ssed me off is when people judge you. I get it all the time ...... those little pencil neck freaks who say (high pitched voice) "I'd be that big if I was taking what he's taking".
    I went to Tenefire 1 year ago and one night I wore a tight top (I don't normally do it but it was a holiday). I over heard this guy say to his buddy "Steroids", and point at me. I went over (I was pretty drunk) and said in his face ...... "yeah yeah ... it's fuking steroids mate" ....... the kid turned white and nearly passed out.

    If there was ever a disadvantage to taking AS (except the health risks) it that right there. All your hard work, strict diet and recovery are transparent to the average Joe when your Chemically Enhanced.
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    i was exactly in your position before i started (although im still not sure what your saying to the fullest) but my conflicting emotions were the same.

    just for the record, i was actually much younger then you when i first started using, and to tell you the truth i get ****ed off at myself for using as at such a young age. i feel that with all that i hadve learned about my body, i could have achieved close to these results clean/natural. that is why i am all natural now.

    also steroids are very tricky, in order to use then successfully one must have diet/training/rest schedule perfect. its definatly not easier, you have to train harder, eat boatloads, look ugly fat, worry about side effect, and sleep like a hindu cow. its a tough venture. i think of it as, "you have to work three times as hard, to get twice the gains you would natural" and its true, using as is very strict and stressful, not to mention the $$.

    in the end its your choice, but from my experiences i wish that i never even laid eye on the **** to begin with; because i grew up where people had easy access to the stuff it was really hard, especially when everybody is using it. the worst thing about my situation is that everone will always think that im a "gear head" even though i started to train natural again.

    at the same time, how good would it feel if someone asked you if you were on steroids because of your size, when youve been natural your whole life? pretty damn good id say.

    so sinep, im not sure if you debating on using the **** or not, but, with your foundation, your physique will be something to be proud of when you look in the mirror at the end, natural that is.

    if you want my opinion i would stay away from the ****, atleast wau till you reach you potential. but again, its your choice, and only the person himself can make the step to the dark side.

    hows your chest training coming BTW, did you try the technique i suggested?



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    well put Kato.
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    thanks Kato..

    See, that's also a reason why I'm so not trusting myself.. I tell myself, just do it.. it's nobody's business, the time is now.. you're young and will only live it once. On the other hand, I quickely jump from one boat to the other.. I read your post and I back off from roid telling myself it's for the weak. I don't wanna go on roid with 50% peace of mind.. if I go on roid I wanna make my mind clear that this is really what I want to do. I wish things were more black & white for me. Like I said to others, I'm gonna at least keep training natural while progress is there ..

    Kato, the other day I trained my chest, I lowered the bar to the bottom of the neck, supersetted with flies. I'm not sure if you're one of those who suggested this to me but it worked wonders. Yesterday I trained my chest again at a different gym and went the traditional way for fun and .. I must say I had a good front-delt work out Seriously man .. I'm walking around the gym with two canon balls on my chest workout.
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    Sinep, my post was not regarding what YOU meant. It was simply MY take on using. I know exactly what you meant, I just chose to add some personal flavor to the thread.

    People thought I used steroids before I had ever even SEEN steroids before. 6 years after high school, I still get questions from old high school buddies when I go home - "Seriously, be truthfull with me. You used steroids in high school, right?" No you goddamn baffoon. Some people are just blessed with slightly better genetics than others and with hard work, can turn that slight advantage into a huge difference between them and the average Joe.
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    Part of, that, gino, is that there are so many youngsters out there who are on gear who have no idea what they are doing, and stay relatively small.

    So when they see a teen who is gear free, but knows what he's doing (and is blessed with decent genetics, as you are), they assume he MUST be on, since they know guys admitting they are on who are nowhere near the same level.

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    Eric spends countless hours working his asss off to be in the best shape he can and to get stronger faster and bigger than the rest. Eric has friends who use supplements to achieve all of this because they do it for "Show" and not for the love. Eric thinks, 'whatever' because even if he isn't quite as big as the 'other guy', he knows he got to where he is on his own with nothing but his own heart and soul and he gets off on that.

    Do what makes you happy, but my opinion is that roids cheapens the sport. (this is strictly my opinion)

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    Re: thanks Kato..

    Originally posted by Sinep
    See, that's also a reason why I'm so not trusting myself.. I tell myself, just do it.. it's nobody's business, the time is now.. you're young and will only live it once. On the other hand, I quickely jump from one boat to the other.. I read your post and I back off from roid telling myself it's for the weak. I don't wanna go on roid with 50% peace of mind.. if I go on roid I wanna make my mind clear that this is really what I want to do. I wish things were more black & white for me. Like I said to others, I'm gonna at least keep training natural while progress is there ..

    Kato, the other day I trained my chest, I lowered the bar to the bottom of the neck, supersetted with flies. I'm not sure if you're one of those who suggested this to me but it worked wonders. Yesterday I trained my chest again at a different gym and went the traditional way for fun and .. I must say I had a good front-delt work out Seriously man .. I'm walking around the gym with two canon balls on my chest workout.

    wow, ive never tryed lowering the bar to my neck, i guess you would definatly need a spotter for that. i may try that sometimes.

    actually what i suggested was a pre-exhaustion technique.

    my chest routine; keep in mind that i have a very similar problem as you...

    start with machine fly and do 3 sets of 10-15, just about failure. already your pecs should be burning.

    hit either flat or incline( i guess flat in your case)
    use a reall wide grip, somewhere outside the thick rings, yes its pretty wide. do one warm up set to get the feel of the new position. try to move the bar exactly where it hits your pecs best, it could be lower chest, somewhere in the middle , or even near the top, either way find a position, where it tend to stress the chests the most, (its different for everone)then use that position as your rom.

    then do your working sets, i do 3 sets of 5-6 reps.
    at this time i take about 3-4 minutes in between each set.( this is a must if you lift real heavy).

    get a spotter for your 3rd set, just incase.

    after flat, your chest should be basically dead, your chest should be fully pumped, and your tris, (lats) and delts should have alot more strength left.

    i usually hit incline/decline dumbell, and try to pound out 3 sets of 6-10 reps. finally my tris, (lats) and delts basically fail as well after this.

    the point of this is to absolutely make certain that your chest will be the first to fail in the compound trio. if your still hungry then hit cables or something, but usually im done after this session.

    remember, mind muscle connection, feel the muscle grow, pretend your flex wheeler, just remember that you own the weight, not the other way around; as well as keeping shoulders on the bench. you will lose a substantial about of poundages if you choose try this technique, but surely its a worth while sacrifice.

    i also suggest you supp with glucosamine sulfate 1500mg a day, you will need it, from going so wide on your grip ( stresses rotators much more)

    i hope you try this technique, cause it worked wonders for my chest develpment. i totally can relate to the frustration of a lagging bodypart, it f*cks with your mind,... BIGTIME.

    the first time i tryed this my chest was soooo pumped that i had troubles driving home(couldnt even palm the wheel when i made a turn, lol.)

    if you choose to try this , keep me posted, i really would like to hear how it went, either way i hope your training works out. good luck


    im done,



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    Bump for Sinep.
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    So many people give out the advice about using anabolic steroids when they reach their genetic limit.

    How do you really know you've reached it?
    There are hundreds of methods and variations of training methods and to say you've used each one is absurd.

    Most people make the lame excuse of saying they have reached their potential when in fact they haven't even come close to reaching it.

    Steriods is a personal choice,I would weigh the pros and cons and then make a decision whether it is worth your while.

    Chronic abuse will lead to complications down the road.But using them moderatley and knowing how they work and interact with your body will give you that added muscle to your frame with little or nil side effects.

    My advise is to research the topic and ask questions,knowledge is power, then make a informed decision.
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    Nice post

    Sinep you can take it either way when someone acuses you of using drugs. You can take it as a compliment that they think you have an awesome body or you can take it as an insult. That after all the thousands of hours of very hard training and dedication to the bodybuilding lifestyle, they just write it all off and say 'drugs'

    I usually take it as a compliment at first as I know I am drug-free, but later I usually feel insulted that people can write off my hard work.


    There is nothing wrong with eduacated use of drugs, just dont use them as a means of not working hard.


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    I think that every serious bodybuilder thinks, at least once, about using anabolic steroids. It is a personal choice that should not be taken lightly. You have to ask yourself two questions, do i know how to use steroids correctly and can i take the criticism from other people because i use steroids. If your answer is no to either of those questions, then you probably shouldn't be using steroids.
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