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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    How much is this Crossfit girl squatting?

    How much is this girl in the pic squatting? I guessing somewhere in the low 300s, but I'm not sure. Thoughts?
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    more then i'll ever squat in my whole life
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    I believe that is Aimee Anaya. Here's a video of her 100kg C&J ... http://www.mikesgym.org/gallery/video/aimee%20anaya.mov

    Edit: I found a section in one of the seminar notes that says it's 115kg. So maybe those bumpers are 25lbs each?
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    I love the rubber plate effect. Not taking anything away from her lift as it is most impressive.
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    Looks like 3 45lb bumpers and 1 25lb per side, so 365lbs, but its hard to tell with the bumper plates. That's freaky strength for a female, but look at her form... looks like she's asking for knee problems to me.
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    What's wrong with her form?
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    Nothing wrong with her form at all! Not many people can squat with form as impeccable as that!

    Meat,
    You're simply going to have some forward knee tracking if you are squatting high-bar ass-to-ankles. It is not excessive at all. Look how freaking dead straight her back is!!
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Her back is fine, its her knees I'm worried about. It looks like she is actually sitting on her calves, decompressing her knees/quads. If she is, when she started the concentric part of the rep there's gonna be a huge whiplash of weight piled onto the knees/quads when they are stretched as far as possible. I know alot of people squat this way and swear by it, but after years of heavy lifting with that form to that depth, I don't see how there couldn't be knee problems. Look at how bunched up her glutes are, they are not stretched nearly as far as they could be for a squat. Her knees are almost a foot in front of her toes, it just seems like a recipe for disaster with a weight that heavy.
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    It's not over 300. It's 200 something, and it's being done in a teaching seminar -- I think it may have been a pause squat. The guy behind her is Mike Burgener, olympic lifting coach.

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    Meat,
    Have you ever seen OLers squat?
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    No sensei, I don't know anything about olympic lifting. What is an olympic squat?

    Again, the only problem I have with her form is how far her knees are pushed in front of her feet. Believe it or not, you can utilize your glutes alot better in an olympic squat than that. I've seen alot of high bar oly squats where the knees don't stick out nearly as far, and I would consider those squats as taking advantage of the hip flexors better and being safer for the knees(long term).
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    MH, can you post pictures of the oly squats you are describing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xMeat_Headx
    I've seen alot of high bar oly squats where the knees don't stick out nearly as far, and I would consider those squats as taking advantage of the hip flexors better and being safer for the knees(long term).
    I haven't.



    Virtually every olympic lift and training variation has the knees travelling far in front of the feet.

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    Thanks for proving my point, that guys knees are not NEARLY as far in front of his toes as hers are in that squat. I'll try to find some pics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    I believe that is Aimee Anaya. Here's a video of her 100kg C&J ... http://www.mikesgym.org/gallery/video/aimee%20anaya.mov

    Edit: I found a section in one of the seminar notes that says it's 115kg. So maybe those bumpers are 25lbs each?
    They should be 22 lbs each. They are like 10k bumpers IRRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xMeat_Headx
    Thanks for proving my point, that guys knees are not NEARLY as far in front of his toes as hers are in that squat. I'll try to find some pics...
    "That guy" is Pyrros Dimas and trust me, his knees are further forward than his toes (edited twice for ArchAngel777). The angle of the photo makes a difference too in how you are perceiving it.
    Last edited by Sensei; 04-19-2006 at 10:59 AM.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei
    "That guy" is Pyrros Dimas and trust me, his toes are further forward than his toes. The angle of the photo makes a difference too in how you are perceiving it.
    His toes are further than his toes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei
    "That guy" is Pyrros Dimas and trust me, his toes are further forward than his toes. The angle of the photo makes a difference too in how you are perceiving it.
    I agree, but they don't come as far over his toes as her knees do. There's a big difference in their form in that aspect. But you're right, the camera angle does probably exaggerate it a bit.
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