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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    heres another pic of randy, could you get a good work out w/ this weight????

    http://www.fizogen.com/images/randy_barbells.gif
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    Quote Originally Posted by greathuskie
    so who would you rather fight, ronnie coleman with proper training or mike tyson in his prime?
    Neither... cause they're both HUGE STRONG MOFOS!

    That argument doesn't make sense unless you find a small, weak, and physically unimpressive guy who can whoop the **** out of a big strong opponent and does so on a regular basis.

    Someone mentioned Shamrock @ 210lbs.. as if that's a small bodyweight! Do you think he would be 210lbs if he never trained with weights? Do you think he would've been as good a fighter if he never lifted heavy stuff?
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    i thought punching strength came from your shoulders + core.
    but i could be wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saggas
    i thought punching strength came from your shoulders + core.
    but i could be wrong
    It comes from your whole body. Shoulders, core, lats/back, legs, triceps and chest are all important.

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    Most of these guys train 2 or 3 time per day.

    The weights you see them lifting the likely lift 3x to 5x per week.

    Athletes can't train like bodbuidlers.

    You train chest monday so you can't do any punching for 3 days. Then wednesday you squat and can't train MMA at all for a few days.

    They just cant do it.

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    What about Bob Sapp? Are Phil baroni? Ken Shamrock? Jeff Monson?

    - Not all train with light weight's and the guys that do are training only for endurnce.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holto

    Athletes can't train like bodbuidlers.


    They just cant do it.
    Phil Baroni lift's and train weights like a bodybuilder.tuttut


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    Quote Originally Posted by JHolmes145
    heres another pic of randy, could you get a good work out w/ this weight????

    http://www.fizogen.com/images/randy_barbells.gif
    First, Randy's video #8 is a form of complexes which are very useful in building strength endurance, vo2 max, and lactate threshold. It's one tool out of many. His form could be improved upon, but he's not in a powerlifting competition so who cares.

    As for getting a good workout with the weight in the above picture: Absolutely. Come train with me and I'll make you puke or quit within 10 minutes with nothing but a 100lbs sandbag.

    I really think you have no clue what fighting is about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    First, Randy's video #8 is a form of complexes which are very useful in building strength endurance, vo2 max, and lactate threshold. It's one tool out of many. His form could be improved upon, but he's not in a powerlifting competition so who cares.

    As for getting a good workout with the weight in the above picture: Absolutely. Come train with me and I'll make you puke or quit within 10 minutes with nothing but a 100lbs sandbag.

    I really think you have no clue what fighting is about.
    It's even easier to meet pukey with light weights.

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    100lbs is light weight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    First, Randy's video #8 is a form of complexes which are very useful in building strength endurance, vo2 max, and lactate threshold. It's one tool out of many. His form could be improved upon, but he's not in a powerlifting competition so who cares.

    As for getting a good workout with the weight in the above picture: Absolutely. Come train with me and I'll make you puke or quit within 10 minutes with nothing but a 100lbs sandbag.

    I really think you have no clue what fighting is about.
    that is correct i dont know anything bout fighting, i was just reflecting because i know bout contemporary weight lifting
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    I worked out at Gold's Gym in Davenport, IA while the Militech camp trained there. Not saying that they didn't do heavy weight training, but I never saw it. Most of the time they were downstairs running drills on the mats, but when they did come up and hit the weights, it was mostly light weight stuff. Their workouts were extremely intense too. It gave me the impression that they were more focused on building endurance, speed, and perfecting technique. Again, this was only my observation. It was neat seeing guys like Tim Sylvia running around though. Matt Hughes was in there sometimes, but I think he did most of his training with another camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    100lbs is light weight!
    Not for Nash!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmericaBadBoy
    Phil Baroni lift's and train weights like a bodybuilder.tuttut
    How much LBM has he put on since he made his pro debut?

    What weight class was Baroni wrestling in when he was in college?

    Most of these guys are in the same weight class they started in.

    I see what you are saying though. I'm making a huge generalization. Some of these guys will take parts of the year and just go really heavy.

    To me someone training like a bb is gaining 5-10 lbs/year these guys are not.

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    I suppose it would depend if they felt they could dominate in the next weight class? If so the weight goes up with the aid of drugs. This makes sense as some of these guys train 2-3 times a day 5-7 days a week.
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    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    If so the weight goes up with the aid of drugs.
    Does UFC/Pride regulate whether their fighters take steroids? If they do, is it easy to get around (ala baseball)?

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    I don't think they have any strict rules in place.
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    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    I would guess that they're used more for recovery purposes than gaining muscle. There are some guys that bang around between weight classes, but I'm guessing 20lbs either way isn't too hard for a professional athlete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bizatch
    Does UFC/Pride regulate whether their fighters take steroids? If they do, is it easy to get around (ala baseball)?
    The UFC tests heavily.

    Tim Sylvia had the belt stripped after he won it the 1st or 2nd time.

    Randy lost his belt to Barnett and then got it back when Barnett tested positive.

    In pride there is no testing. IMO, this is the #1 reason we don't see Pride fighters in the UFC.

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    What exactly is UFC people? It seems like a big scrapping event, where people jsut get beaten in, on TV, and it somehow isn't illegal.....

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    UFC used to be no holds barred, but it's since evolved to include a lot of rules to protect the longevity of the fighters' careers. It's a contact sport - no doubt - but there's more to it than just "scrapping."

    And yes, the UFC tests for drug use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    As for getting a good workout with the weight in the above picture: Absolutely. Come train with me and I'll make you puke or quit within 10 minutes with nothing but a 100lbs sandbag.

    I really think you have no clue what fighting is about.
    Yeah but then you are completely missing the point of strength training. Anyone can make anybody puke or quit within 10 minutes even with out the use of external weight or devices.

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    Crazy, he asked if it was possible to get a good workout with that amount of weight. He didn't define what type of workout. But either way, there are a ton of things you can do with 100lbs that would build functional strength.
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    Throw me on a tread mill thats moving at 15 MPH and I won't stay on for long... Maybe a minute... Maybe 2 if I was lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    Crazy, he asked if it was possible to get a good workout with that amount of weight. He didn't define what type of workout. But either way, there are a ton of things you can do with 100lbs that would build functional strength.
    I get your point. But lol, I hate the phrase "functional strength", there are so many factors that go in to it I don't think you can define it in to a workout. The best you can do is activate your core in every exercise and incorporate balance.

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