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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by sCaRz*Of*PaiN
    No. I think purified water is an excellent source of purified water. WTF is up with this soda crap?
    I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

    Anyone here see a resemblance to the Dave Tate project? We all know how his body turned out on this diet.

    Of course, he got it done too.
    Last edited by betastas; 05-20-2006 at 09:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sCaRz*Of*PaiN
    No. I think purified water is an excellent source of purified water. WTF is up with this soda crap?
    purified water has no cals, soda does.
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    Great post!! motivational and also insightfull!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sCaRz*Of*PaiN
    No. I think purified water is an excellent source of purified water. WTF is up with this soda crap?
    For real I was thinking the same thing. And if you didnt drink a damn 12 pack of soda and 5 candy bars you wouldnt have to worry about your chorlestrol and all that. eat healthy stuff that has calories and DRINK WATER for crying out loud. and NO POTATO CHIPS. They are FULL of chorlestrol. idk but i dont like this article all though there were "some" good things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy E.
    For real I was thinking the same thing. And if you didnt drink a damn 12 pack of soda and 5 candy bars you wouldnt have to worry about your chorlestrol and all that. eat healthy stuff that has calories and DRINK WATER for crying out loud. and NO POTATO CHIPS. They are FULL of chorlestrol. idk but i dont like this article all though there were "some" good things.
    It might be a diet I would have tried like 20 years ago....

    More for a young adult with no health problems like high blood pressure or cholestrol.

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    Ok... ONCE AGAIN, this is a diet for someone looking to push up heavy, heavy weights. NOT a diet to improve your health...
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei
    Ok... ONCE AGAIN, this is a diet for someone looking to push up heavy, heavy weights. NOT a diet to improve your health...
    That's for sure...

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    Bumped for all the newbies who are looking to gain weight. One of my all-time favorite articles and not because I happened to post it.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    I dont know about this weight moves weight idea. I know plenty of fatasses weighing in at well over 300lbs that cant even move have their bodywieght. Maybe after like 10 yrs of gaining muscle it would work. But sacrificing your health to lift more weight sounds stupid to me. Living long and healthy sounds like the better idea to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGreezy
    I dont know about this weight moves weight idea. I know plenty of fatasses weighing in at well over 300lbs that cant even move have their bodywieght. Maybe after like 10 yrs of gaining muscle it would work. But sacrificing your health to lift more weight sounds stupid to me. Living long and healthy sounds like the better idea to me.
    Yeah, this looks like a last-ditch effort for the rail-thin guys out there who want to get bigger. Unless you have a metabolism so fast that you need consume 7k+ calories to gain weight, I think most people would be better off saving their health and sticking to the foods listed in the "what bodybuilders eat" thread, and tracking on Fitday to figure out how much to eat.

    Competitive powerlifters are a whole different story though. I guess if you are a SHW and want to move more weight at any cost, you gotta do what you gotta do...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGreezy
    But sacrificing your health to lift more weight sounds stupid to me. Living long and healthy sounds like the better idea to me.
    It is stupid. Doing this type of diet just creates bad habits... these are the guys who were muscular when they were young and turn into complete fatasses years later.

    But, to each his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betastas
    Anyone here see a resemblance to the Dave Tate project? We all know how his body turned out on this diet.
    Exactly. He ate like that for years, realized how bad it was for him, and decided to do something about it. Good thing he's working with Berardi. He looks lean and mean now.

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    Good article for a PLer, terrible for everyone else.

    I want to be strong, but athletic strong, not I can't jog a mile I'm so fat strong.
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    yes, good for a PL but your looking for serious health problems. lol. its not that hard to eat 4k a day clean.
    2000 or bust

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    I'm bumping this because it's an awesome article and most of you are missing the point entirely...
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Horrible article for any type of novice bodybuilder. Eating crap will only make you look like crap.

    I am convinced that the #1 mistake people make is bulking up by overeating on dirty crap thinking they are getting "bigger" when in fact it is all fat.

    The bulking diet should be no different than a cutting diet, except for the amount of food per setting. Would you drink regular soda on a cut? Honey? Pop Tarts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imageD View Post
    Horrible article for any type of novice bodybuilder. Eating crap will only make you look like crap.

    I am convinced that the #1 mistake people make is bulking up by overeating on dirty crap thinking they are getting "bigger" when in fact it is all fat.

    The bulking diet should be no different than a cutting diet, except for the amount of food per setting. Would you drink regular soda on a cut? Honey? Pop Tarts?
    See, this is exactly my point about people not getting the article - YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT ENTIRELY!

    *JM Blakely is a not a bodybuilder. He is heavyweight powerlifting/benchpress specialist. He gains weight for a specific purpose - to lift more weight. That said, he carries more muscle on his body than 99% of the forum members here (and not at a high % of bodyfat)

    *How many times have you heard someone say "No matter how much I eat, I just can't gain weight!"? I've heard it, literally hundreds of times from high school kids and even adults. It isn't metabolism. It isn't genetics. THEY JUST AREN'T EATING ENOUGH TO GAIN WEIGHT.

    *Here's the main point that you're missing:
    The only way to be absolutely certain that you are getting the most out of your workout is to eat more than you need for recovery, repair, and growth. You will begin to see a bit of bodyfat start to accumulate. Please don't misunderstand me and think I'm telling everyone to get obesely fat. I'm only suggesting a light layer of "winter weight" or a "softening" You should never let your bodyfat percentage rise above unhealthy levels, and never put on what you can't get off.

    This is what I call bathing the cells in nutrients. You give them all they need and then a little bit extra which you can see usually around your middle. Remember; it's OK to put it on to gain strength if you also plan to take it off later and maintain your new strength level when you diet. Just make sure you get around to dieting sooner or later! This way every workout has the nutrients it needs to give it the chance to be fully effective.
    Whatever. Look, you can focus on the few paragraphs where he talks about eating calorie-dense foods (and junk food) to meet caloric goals, or you can read it for the main message which is to give your body what's necessary to meet your caloric needs... If more people would understand this, we'd see a lot more people at the forum who are not perpetually cutting and BIG, not "wannabe big".
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    See, this is exactly my point about people not getting the article - YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT ENTIRELY!

    *JM Blakely is a not a bodybuilder. He is heavyweight powerlifting/benchpress specialist. He gains weight for a specific purpose - to lift more weight. That said, he carries more muscle on his body than 99% of the forum members here (and not at a high % of bodyfat)

    *How many times have you heard someone say "No matter how much I eat, I just can't gain weight!"? I've heard it, literally hundreds of times from high school kids and even adults. It isn't metabolism. It isn't genetics. THEY JUST AREN'T EATING ENOUGH TO GAIN WEIGHT.

    *Here's the main point that you're missing:
    Whatever. Look, you can focus on the few paragraphs where he talks about eating calorie-dense foods (and junk food) to meet caloric goals, or you can read it for the main message which is to give your body what's necessary to meet your caloric needs... If more people would understand this, we'd see a lot more people at the forum who are not perpetually cutting and BIG, not "wannabe big".
    I got the message from the article 100%, he makes his point very clearly. However, I believe that is simply not good information for bodybuilders. If you aren't gaining, you obviously need to up your calories, but you need to choose your food wisely. For example, add a tbsp of olive oil, or 2tbsp of PB to every meal instead of drinking a coke with 40grams of sugar, or honey, or mayonaise.

    Maybe this should go in the powerlifting forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imageD
    Veggies - I rarely eat them.

    Tell me why I should reconsider veggies.

    Veggies - nutrient dense, but I would rather just take my vitamin supplements and fiber supplement. From time to time I will buy fresh heads of brocolli and eat that, but I just dont see the point since it has so few calories.
    I don't think that someone who says this in response to Built's suggestion to eat more veggies should be giving advice in the nutrition forum at all, let alone critiquing articles...
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    yea but i dont want a 3" slab of fat to make me bench more i want a slab of muscle

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    Good article

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    I just found this amazing article, and in these moments of hunger and reading, i just down a bottle of Ranch.

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    Bump because more people need to read and understand this knowledge.

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    The article is brilliant. Stop crying about "dirty bulking" and a tablesppon of olive oil. All of you guys who cry about gaining some fat while you bulk - keep being small. I don't care. You HAVE TO GAIN FAT TO GAIN MUSCLE! JM Blakely has his PhD in some crazy science. I'm not exactly sure what it is. For all you guys that live your diet life by what some skinny little bastard writes, you might wanna listen to this guy. He a BIG, STRONG bastard that has done all the reading and done all the eating and lifting. One of the few who has been there and done that, and, he read about it.

    If you sit there and whine about your health, I can bet my right nut that you have never truly competed for anything at the highest level. I know you don't truly understand the meaning of commitment. Commitment to achieving a goal you have set for yourself. You're the guy that looks at big guys and says, "he uses drugs" or, "he's got good genetics. That's why he's so big/strong" I looked at those guys and made the same comments. Then I decided I wanted to be one of those guys. Here I am. I'm the guy you watch at the gym. I'm the one who gets questioned about drugs and all that other BS. JM is a genius. If you have ever seen JM in person or in pictures, he's an impressive looking guy. Even when he was over 300lbs - very impressive.

    On with my rant - all you guys that don't believe weight moves weight - I bet you're weak. Sorry! Why do you think Strongman competitors and PLers are so big? Where has all the common knowledge gone? Why are we such a stupid society nowadays?

    Some people get it - and most don't. I bet the people that get it are trying to think how they could make it work for them. Those that don't are ripping his genius apart.

    Good 'ole Max Effort eating! Sensei - great post!

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    Sensei, am I correct in saying that this is really only aimed towards people who want to become strong as fast as possible?
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