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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Smeagol on Steroids Mercuryblade's Avatar
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    Not that I drink whey before I workout, but interesting nonetheless

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    interesting. I once had a friendly argument with some on this board when I posted a study that showed that taking protein before exercise decreased the body's ability to use glucose(or something like that). I've never been a fan of protein pre-exercise.

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    I drink whey protein before I strength train, I guess I should reconsider.
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    My preworkout meal is always oats mixed with whey. I guess maybe I should stick to just oats, and double the post work out protein or just ditch preworkout protein.
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    oh
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    interesting...

    can anybody get the actual study not just the abstract?

    EDIT: Also, it was a combination of both whey/casein, I wonder if the same effects happen with just whey or casein. I don't think one study (only 10 guys) is enough for me to change my nutrition habits.
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    is any1 here a profession athlete, i was wondering what they do before a work out?

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    i normally scratch my nuts for a while
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    After reading the whole article I found this:

    Because pre- and postexercise protein meals increase muscle specific protein synthesis during recovery (27,28) and muscle
    growth (2), the lower T levels could be due in part to
    increased T uptake in active skeletal muscle. In support of
    this hypothesis, recent work has shown that the meal-induced
    decrease in T after resistance exercise corresponds
    with an increase in skeletal muscle androgen receptor content
    measured 60 min after exercise (29). Thus, it is possible
    that higher I and/or increased amino acid availability in
    PROT during an STS reduced the degradation and/or increased
    the synthesis or activation of androgen receptors in
    skeletal muscle cells, allowing more active receptors for
    binding of the hormones.
    This was deep in the disscussion part of the study, kinda explains why the levels would be lower.
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    idk what caseinate proteins are but, you think its ok to eat like a chicken breast or somethin like that before your workout.. or is it saying ANY protein before working out can do this?
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    heres the whey i use https://www.lamuscle.com/docs/produc...roduct=whey2kg

    its expensive but it has all the cancer causing agents taken out of it and its pure protein
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    Directly before a work out I eat something carb heavy, just to have something in my stomach. Berrocca and some BCAAs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crunkdizzle
    idk what caseinate proteins are but, you think its ok to eat like a chicken breast or somethin like that before your workout.. or is it saying ANY protein before working out can do this?
    It was a protein/carb liquid drink. Yes GH and T levels dropped but they researchers said this was most lilkely because of the muscle uptake of these hormones post exercise. I'm sure whatever was working before will still work. This was a very small study (10 men), take it for what its worth but don't lose sleep over it.
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    I don't see why this study would necessarily indicate you should stop consuming protein preworkout. An acute drop in test...so what? Testosterone fluctuates all day long and the vast majority of literature suggests it's beneficial to eat your protein preworkout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas
    heres the whey i use https://www.lamuscle.com/docs/produc...roduct=whey2kg

    its expensive but it has all the cancer causing agents taken out of it and its pure protein

    are any of your posts inciteful or made with a point?? You just randomly blurt things out that have contribution to the thread.
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    cancer causing agents taken out of it
    Cancer causing agents? What the F*** are you talking about?
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    Man, I eat before, after... Hell I eat all the time. I drink a shake before sometimes. I have even eaten and drank a shake during a workout. I don't think it has much of a negative impact on me. I'm 260 and gaining. Sometimes I think we talk to much sh!t about all this micro management of diets and workouts. It don't have a negative impact on test -I mean, C'mon. Some stupid study from a bunch of pinheads in Finland and every body is all concerned about their test levels dropping.
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    Smeagol on Steroids Mercuryblade's Avatar
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    Some stupid study from a bunch of pinheads in Finland and every body is all concerned about their test levels dropping.
    I didn't say I didn't take this article with a grain of salt.
    I posted it because I thought the article was interesting, and was hoping people would either refute or support it with other sources.
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    lol no offense intended dude. I'm an A-hole to everybody in general.

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    Don't know who else does this but i usually eat fats with just a little bit of protein before i go to the gym...almonds and some cottage cheese...never fails to energize me

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    I'm with Bomber on this one. I couldn't even imagine going into a fight without ammo. I eat b-4 and after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banjalien
    Don't know who else does this but i usually eat fats with just a little bit of protein before i go to the gym...almonds and some cottage cheese...never fails to energize me
    I avoid fats pre and post workout. Indulge throughout the day in them, though. Make sure to add some carbs to your pre-workout. Couldn't hurt. IB4someonepostsanarticlesayingitdoeshurt

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