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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Incline Hammer Curl - 3 Minutes to giant arms article

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/xrep7.htm

    I came across this the other day, and thought I would share.

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    Im fine with my workout, on my back day my bi's are sore big time ( T-Bar just kills em ).

    I just came accross this, Ive never heard of incline hammer curls, I was reading more and the I saw that its part of a whole workout plan ( X rep ) I didn't realize that at first.

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    I quite like hammer curls, though I tend to do them one armed and standing up.
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    Would it be okay to substitute this method instead of the regular hammer curls from the WBB#1 routine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyskater52
    Would it be okay to substitute this method instead of the regular hammer curls from the WBB#1 routine?
    Yes. If you think any exercise is more effective for YOU than the one presribed in WBB1, switch it up!

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    Is the brachialis on the outside of the arm? If so, that'd explain why my right arm looks bigger than the left from the back, as the right hand brachialis is bigger than the left! Also, what is an X-rep? And what if you only do 25lb dumbells for hammercurls? How can I drop it by 10-15lbs?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickthebassist
    Is the brachialis on the outside of the arm? If so, that'd explain why my right arm looks bigger than the left from the back, as the right hand brachialis is bigger than the left!
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    Quote Originally Posted by getfit
    Ahh, I was also wondering how to build them up today. Also, the article on X-Reps isn't very good on there, it doesn't show how to actually do them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickthebassist
    Ahh, I was also wondering how to build them up today. Also, the article on X-Reps isn't very good on there, it doesn't show how to actually do them!
    what is it excatly you are looking for ? build your bi's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by getfit
    what is it excatly you are looking for ? build your bi's?
    Well, everything really but arms especially(I guess it'd be easiest to do it with things like curls or tricep kickbacks, as the exercises require a squeeze at a certain point, so free weights would be easiest?). Until I know what an X-Rep is, I don't really know what to do.......can anyone post a link to a vid or anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickthebassist
    And what if you only do 25lb dumbells for hammercurls? How can I drop it by 10-15lbs?!

    That's what the pink dumbbells on the end are for.

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    you can also do chinups they'll hit your bi's pretty hard

    dips for tri's weighted if you can
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    Quote Originally Posted by getfit
    you can also do chinups they'll hit your bi's pretty hard

    dips for tri's weighted if you can
    I can do 3-4 pullups, but that's it. They really aren't an option for me yet, to be honest(I need to work on my back before I start doing them). How would you X-rep on a pull up anyhow? And what is an X Rep(their site only leads you to an E-book...........how do we know this isn't all hype?).

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    There's no way in hell I'll ever be able to go as low as that on the chins or the dips. The dips espeically so, they'd kill my already messed up elbows(thanks anyhow!). I do do a lot of mid rows, lows rows, lateral pull downs etc for my back. How would I X Rep those(and what is an X rep?), and also, which bit of my body would I want to squeeze(the static contraction, and also is this just tensing the muscle, or is there a technique to it?) and at what point in the rep?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickthebassist
    There's no way in hell I'll ever be able to go as low as that on the chins or the dips. The dips espeically so, they'd kill my already messed up elbows(thanks anyhow!). I do do a lot of mid rows, lows rows, lateral pull downs etc for my back. How would I X Rep those(and what is an X rep?), and also, which bit of my body would I want to squeeze(the static contraction, and also is this just tensing the muscle, or is there a technique to it?) and at what point in the rep?
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    From what I've been able to gather online an X-Rep is the same thing as a Partial rep. See below, I found the E book threw a search on yahoo.

    http://www.diegomarchetti.com/downlo...assWorkout.pdf

    Below is a quote I got from another board, I did not write this.

    Actually the X-REP system is pretty innovative. You don't have to pay for all the "secrets"...the inventor of the system is a writer for the magazine Ironman. Last month's issue had a big write up about it and if you read carefully, you can pretty much walk away with enough knowledge to apply it.

    Basically, to build muscle you have to fatigue it. Muscle is activated by motor units(a single neuron activates a selective group of muscle fibers). There are big and small motor units. It is the small motor units that fatigue first. This is where most people give up. Take for example the bench press...basically, the small/medium motor units(of the chest) are responsible for the last 1/2 to 2/3 of the movement. Larger motor units come into play when you require more force and, thus more muscle...which happens to be just after the muscle is fully stretched(that is, bar on the chest = stretched pectoralis). So you generate the most force just after the bar comes off your chest and just before the last 1/2 of the movement(when you begin to straighten you arms).

    Now, to X-REP....once you can no longer make a full rep on bench(b/c the small/med motor units are fatigued), stay within the bottom half of the movement and rep out as many as you can. (Obviously this will require a spotter because you will be dominated after this!) This is how you fatigue the large motor units. We could argue all day about whether it is the nerve or the muscle that is fatiguing(doesn't matter cause it is the signals from the nerves that make muscle grow).

    Does this make sense? However, one should only perform this movement once a week per body part, and only at the end of the set, otherwise you will quickly over train....

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    Quote Originally Posted by View 1
    From what I've been able to gather online an X-Rep is the same thing as a Partial rep. See below, I found the E book threw a search on yahoo.

    http://www.diegomarchetti.com/downlo...assWorkout.pdf

    Below is a quote I got from another board, I did not write this.

    Actually the X-REP system is pretty innovative. You don't have to pay for all the "secrets"...the inventor of the system is a writer for the magazine Ironman. Last month's issue had a big write up about it and if you read carefully, you can pretty much walk away with enough knowledge to apply it.

    Basically, to build muscle you have to fatigue it. Muscle is activated by motor units(a single neuron activates a selective group of muscle fibers). There are big and small motor units. It is the small motor units that fatigue first. This is where most people give up. Take for example the bench press...basically, the small/medium motor units(of the chest) are responsible for the last 1/2 to 2/3 of the movement. Larger motor units come into play when you require more force and, thus more muscle...which happens to be just after the muscle is fully stretched(that is, bar on the chest = stretched pectoralis). So you generate the most force just after the bar comes off your chest and just before the last 1/2 of the movement(when you begin to straighten you arms).

    Now, to X-REP....once you can no longer make a full rep on bench(b/c the small/med motor units are fatigued), stay within the bottom half of the movement and rep out as many as you can. (Obviously this will require a spotter because you will be dominated after this!) This is how you fatigue the large motor units. We could argue all day about whether it is the nerve or the muscle that is fatiguing(doesn't matter cause it is the signals from the nerves that make muscle grow).

    Does this make sense? However, one should only perform this movement once a week per body part, and only at the end of the set, otherwise you will quickly over train....

    There are no "secrets" to building mass. Train hard, eat lots, rest lots and you will grow. X-reps or partial reps have been around for a long time. They are just one of the many tools a lifter can use.


    As for building muscle, no you do not have to fatigue it. Simply stimulate it and give it plenty of nutrients and rest. And it will grow.
    Training to failure has not been proven to be any more productive than stopping short of failure. Not to mention it can be more taxing on the CNS.

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    I understand, I actually started doing this myself, not knowing what it'd do exactly, but that it was enabling me to do more reps when i was tired. So, if I'm doing a curl, once I'd finished 3 normal sets of 8-12 reps, I'd bring the weight up to half way and pump it up and down fast? How many 'pumps' should I do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickthebassist
    I understand, I actually started doing this myself, not knowing what it'd do exactly, but that it was enabling me to do more reps when i was tired. So, if I'm doing a curl, once I'd finished 3 normal sets of 8-12 reps, I'd bring the weight up to half way and pump it up and down fast? How many 'pumps' should I do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickthebassist
    I understand, I actually started doing this myself, not knowing what it'd do exactly, but that it was enabling me to do more reps when i was tired. So, if I'm doing a curl, once I'd finished 3 normal sets of 8-12 reps, I'd bring the weight up to half way and pump it up and down fast? How many 'pumps' should I do?
    Look at the PDF link I posted last time, it says in there 4-6, but if you can pull out a couple more why not.

    So anyway I tried X-reps tonight for the first time. Today is Shoulders and Tri's for me. Below is the routine I did and how I felt after the x-rep's.

    Shoulder's.

    Side lateral raise 3x8
    Shoulder Press 3x8 ( I've read recently to tilt the dumbells so at full extention your pinky finger is higher then your pointing finger, supposed to work the delts a little more, and so I also tried this for the first time and I felt it a little bit more, but like I said a little bit )
    Upright Row ( cable ) 3x8

    The upright row is what I did the x-reps on and yeah I felt it big time. My bi's got a nice bump out of it as well. I was able to pull off about 8.

    Tri's

    Decline Skullcrushers 3x8 ( ever since I started doing them on a decline instead of a flat bench it just dominates my tri's I love it )
    Cable pushdown 3x8

    The pushdown is what I did the X-reps on for my tri's. I was so burnt that I was not able to do a x-reps at the weight I was doing ( 100 pounds ) so I droped it right away to 80 and did about 6-7. With my tri's i didn't really feel it, normally Ill do a burn out at the end of my tri routine and I would feel that more than I did with the X-rep. I felt it was more effective for me on my shoulders. But than again maybe I wasnt doing them right??

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    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/xrep7.htm

    This site has videos underneath the picture of the guy if you still dont get it.
    Anyways this Xrep thing is a good idea to do then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turnip
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/xrep7.htm

    This site has videos underneath the picture of the guy if you still dont get it.
    Anyways this Xrep thing is a good idea to do then?
    So you do X-reps between the full range curls? I thought you did them at the end? And yes, the X-Reps do work, I did some today at school, and my arms are still really pumped up, 10 hours later.

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