The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness
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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Olympic lifts vs big 3?

    Are the olympic lifts really neccessary if you're on WBB1? I already have the big 3 so would I Really need more heavy compound movements? IT just seems like a hassle and it must be annoying because you have to weight for you whole body to heal to do it again.

    So are they neccessary for n00bs? or just for olympic lifters and weightlifting vets looking for some fun.

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    Necessary? No.

    Really awesome for basically every purpose ever? Yes.

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    What are your goals arya?
    I use Oly lifts to keep my athleticism... help explosiveness.. GPP... etc..

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    Olympic lifts are to fancy for me to learn. I only do front squats (start off with power clean). I'm not sure if ATF squats would be considered an olympic movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinnySadMan
    Olympic lifts are to fancy for me to learn. I only do front squats (start off with power clean). I'm not sure if ATF squats would be considered an olympic movement.
    Squats are a powerlifting movement, not an olympic movement.


    Olympic lifts will only make you bigger and stronger, the only reason not to do them is laziness and preexisting injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
    Squats are a powerlifting movement, not an olympic movement.


    Olympic lifts will only make you bigger and stronger, the only reason not to do them is laziness and preexisting injuries.
    Technically, front squats are a component of the clean.

    And, another reason not to do Olympic lifts is if they do not correspond with your goals.

    I agree with you in principle, though.

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    What do you guys think of power cleans for bodybuilding? Good overall mass builder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
    Squats are a powerlifting movement, not an olympic movement.
    Uhhhh... no.

    Olympic lifters have been squatting for ALOT longer than powerlifters.

    Powercleans are a great mass builder IMO, mainly for the back and forearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xMeat_Headx

    Olympic lifters have been squatting for ALOT longer than powerlifters.


    And? Olympic lifters squatting does not make it any more of an olympic lift than powerlifters performing the snatch would make it a powerlifting movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
    And? Olympic lifters squatting does not make it any more of an olympic lift than powerlifters performing the snatch would make it a powerlifting movement.
    Um, just a little nitpick here - it would be more like a powerlifter doing a rack pull or a good morning. Which, interestingly enough, they do.

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    It's important to keep in mind that proper coaching is very important, and that many months of very frequent practice is essential to learning these lifts. For many trainees this simply isn't worth it.

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    I agree khari, although I think the trainees who don't want to take the time to learn the full lifts can still reap many of the same benefits with hang cleans and hang snatches. Those lifts can be learned by pretty much anyone in a matter of weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xMeat_Headx
    I agree khari, although I think the trainees who don't want to take the time to learn the full lifts can still reap many of the same benefits with hang cleans and hang snatches. Those lifts can be learned by pretty much anyone in a matter of weeks.

    Proper use of the hips generally takes months to learn (and years to perfect), and is the same whether you're doing power snatches from the hang or full squat snatches.

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    Maybe with a hang full squat snatch/clean, but there is definately much less hip involvement in hang power snatches/cleans which is what most people do when they do hang lifts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xMeat_Headx
    Maybe with a hang full squat snatch/clean, but there is definately much less hip involvement in hang power snatches/cleans which is what most people do when they do hang lifts.
    I am talking the proper hip extension on the pull (the hips are supposed to contact the bar), and it's identical in all variations of snatches, from hang power snatches to snatch pulls to full squat snatches. And again, it takes months of practice, because many people will either not extend at all, or use the hips to propel the bar forward instead of straight up.

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    Olympic lifts are used by most athlete's because they create good muscular power for that explosiveness, great for building ur strength if you have the time and some to teach you them properly...
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