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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Pullovers after squats

    Does anyone do Pullovers after Squating?
    I've been reading some of the old-time strength articles, Milo and such... and a lot of old-timers recommend doing this.

    So I've tried it duing my last couple of squating sessions.. here are my thoughts, questions:

    Using light weights seems to be better then heavy - 35 lb DBs instead of my usual 80 lb DB - I seem to be able to take a deeper breath, not worrying about the heavier weight. Anyone else?

    Do them after 3-5 rep squat sets doesn't seem to do much.. but after a 10-20 rep set, they seem to really open up the lungs. Breathing for the next set seems to be more relaxed. Anyone have success with the lower rep sets?

    Anyone do them after other exercises? I've been thinking about after DL'ing... but they are usually not as cardio intensive as Squats...

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    Are you talking about supersetting the pullovers or after the squat set is finished? I do them after I finish up on squats/deads/GMs when I switch up, but I don't find them opening up my lungs?

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    It's a bogus concept.

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    I do pull overs after bench! After having a lot of weitgh on my chest it feels good to stretch it out! I have never really paid attention to any kind of changes in my breathing though... I guess I may have to pay attention to that next time!
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    I do these after my squat/bench. I do see much with it after i squat but it definately feels like it stretches my chest a bit after a heavy bench day.

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    MixMaster why do you think it is bogus? From the old-timers, it seemed not so much for mass, but as a better way to open the chest cavity... like a real deep breath would do...

    Risk - I was trying them as a Superset with Squat.. not like a real set.. more just for the stretch, to expand the lungs..

    Otto & Jordan... Yep, I do them on Chest days.. when I combine Chest with Upper Back days. Like A giant set of BP, Bent Rows and then a heavy (for me anyway) 75-90lb pullover... my chest and back are exhausted after 3-4 of those Giant Sets..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearwolf
    MixMaster why do you think it is bogus? From the old-timers, it seemed not so much for mass, but as a better way to open the chest cavity... like a real deep breath would do...
    Because you can't open the chest cavity anymore. You're bone plates have fused and if you try to open the chest cavity anymore you'll have to break bone. Bone doesn't stretch, it breaks. You want to look bigger, get bigger.

    Taking a big breath isn't really changing anything that much and there's no permanent way to keep it like that. A lot of things guys did back then were based on nothing but their hope that it would work. Chest expansion, that's one those myths.
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    Thanks HY.

    I like to stretch my lats too, but it doesn't require pullovers, and you certainly aren't going to expand the ribcage.

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    HY and MMN.. thanks..
    I guess I was NOT looking to stretch the bones of the chest cavity...
    But perhaps, it's the expansion of the diaphram?
    I don't know.. I'm definitely not saying I know what I'm talking about or have the expertise.. but it just seemed like my recovery was faster, or my breathing was more relaxed faster after doing the pullover/stretch.

    MixMaster... are you saying you like stretching your lats after Squats? I like stretching them after BP'ing.. by pulling on one the building supports nearby the BP bench..

    Maybe I just need to taken deeper breaths after 20 rep squat sets?

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    i do my pullovers because its part of the 20 rep squat routine, a set after the squats and SLDLS.
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    I'm kind of on the fence about the whole chest-expansion thing. I realize that the hard science doesn't support it, but I noticed a definate difference in appearance when I started doing high-rep squats and pullovers when I was 18-19 - whether it was because of the pullovers or just consistent hard training, I don't know, but the difference in appearance was notable.

    In any case, lower the weight for the breathing pullovers - it is a stretching exercise as much as anything and if the weight is too heavy, you will necessarily limit the range of motion and your ability to breathe deeply.
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