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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Mind-boggling bench power!!!

    I have posted this on several forums.

    It is a link to an article about Pat Casey benching 615 lbs raw. Here is what truly makes the feat amazing; he removed the bar from the rack unassited and then proceeded to lower it to his chest, pause, and then press and re-rack it. I think it is truly one of the greatest powerlifting feats ever!


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    amazing, i love old school lifters and praise them, i also have a bench frenzy so thats even cooler! what a tank!
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    nice!
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    That's awesome. Nothing against the guys and gals who use equipment, but I think deep down everyone knows that raw strength will always be more impressive.
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    very impressive
    PRs: 655/525/645 = 1825 Total
    Meet PRs: Bench Only 525

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    It really is amazing, benching alone for so long i know firsthand how difficult it is to lift heavy weight without someone handing it to you ( you cant have perfect form) definately a man of great respect

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    That's how a bench should be done. Raw, unassisted, strict. If ever I could do something similar with 500 I would be ecstatic.

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    wow. thats with no arch and elbows flared out. very impressive.
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    Pat Casey was the first man to bench press over 600 pounds, squat over 800 pounds and total more than 2000.

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    This is inspirtaion on demand! The physiques of the strongmen of yester-year allways inspires me, they loved the strength and nothing else.

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    Awesome article. Pat Casey truly was a living legend of the time.
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    That is impressive to say the least!!
    Like Anthony said, RAW is always the most impressive over geared up.
    I always do my lifts raw. even with deadlifts. I love the feel of just hand to iron
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    RAW... just like eating meat... lol.. I actually eat mine Medium..
    But yeah, pat was amazing..
    You gotta love coming out to warm-up in a Bathrobe!!
    No wraps..
    And the fact that they had to "officially" weigh the weights after he was done...

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    Raw is so much more impressive... awesome!

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    Its damn impressive. Now don't get me wrong, its a great feat of strength but I don't find it anymore impressive than a shirted bench. I don't want to turn this into a holier than thou thread but I look at them totally different. Raw is cool, but eqiupment usage is too.

    Its like comparing football to rugby or soccer to rugby. To some extent they're similar but still different. I don't see what the big deal between using equipment and not is.
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    So a 600lbs with a triple denim shirt is just as impressive as 600lbs raw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeYield
    Its damn impressive. Now don't get me wrong, its a great feat of strength but I don't find it anymore impressive than a shirted bench. I don't want to turn this into a holier than thou thread but I look at them totally different. Raw is cool, but eqiupment usage is too.
    With the raw vs equipped debate, I think we lose track of the fact that Casey outpressed the nearest competitor by 50%. He easily warmed up the the 2nd place maximum weight. And then he beat his own record by a substantial margin.

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    Obviously a 600 raw is more impressive than a 600 equipped, but an equipped athlete will put up higher numbers than when he/she is not equipped. So comparing the two is silly.
    PRs: 655/525/645 = 1825 Total
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    Scot Mendelson's 715 Raw is just as impressive as his 1,008 Equipped. I wouldn't take anything away from either, because he can obviously back up his huge numbers either way.

    Any list of the best heavyweight raw benchers in history, in my opinion, regardless of era, would have to include:

    Pat Casey
    Jim Williams
    Ted Arcidi
    Bill Kazmaier
    Steve Wong
    Brian Siders
    Scot Mendelson
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    how does wearing gear help with the lift tho?? Thats what i just dont get!!
    Does it make you strogner or something?


    p.s. sorry if this post seems very stupid. I just rele awnt to know how a shirted bench press can be so much higher than non shirted.
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    how much did big billy boy bench?
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    Goodwin,

    A shirt allows you to do more becasue it gives you a pop off the bottom.And alot of shirts now a days have a good drive all the way through the top. The best way that I explain a benchshirt to people is that it is like spring loading your elbows.You have some guys that cannot touch 800 pounds to there chest becasue there shirts are so tight.Some also have a certain groove that the shirt is designed to stay in and alot of times if you get outta that groove the shirts are worthless. Hope this helps!!!!

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    thanks for that explanation wolfe i was wondering too, and the first day of the program went well.
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    No prob Stump keep me informed on the whole thing you got my email!!!

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    i had a question for you im not sure if you got my last email, im benching kind of narrow compared to waht i used to, pinkys on the ring, elbows in, and im 5'7, should i widen it so i dont sacrifice my chest?
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